Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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farronwolf said:
Hey, you skipped over his abortion exceptions. Thought we would let you off. NOPE.
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I do not like any exceptions. I will still vote for him as he is doing more for the unborn than Biden ever will. If he gets a few more SCOTUS picks he will go down in history as a President who during his term abortion was torn down.
 
buffalo said:
I do not like any exceptions. I will still vote for him as he is doing more for the unborn than Biden ever will. If he gets a few more SCOTUS picks he will go down in history as a President who during his term abortion was torn down.
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So he isn’t fully pro life.

And you are wrong about the additional judges. It at most will revert back to the states with some form of abortion being legal still, and others taking place even if illegal.

So the justices who have said that Roe is settled law during their senate confirmation, would be lying if they overturned Roe. Would you be ok with a justice who has lied to the senate sitting on the court?

My guess is that if it was to overturn Roe, many would be perfectly fine with a justice of the SCOTUS lying to the senate. Would the Senate then be able to impeach the justice for perjury during the senate hearings?

Just food for thought.
 
How do you think God will judge you? That’s all I care about, and I strongly suggest that God certainly cares if we act in a fashion supporting of the pro-life cause as opposed to NARAL.

Further, everything else you say is just more “he’s acting pro-life but it’s all an act,” where you can excuse any and all pro-life actions as being done just to pander to his base.

It’s a free country. If you want to convince yourself Joe Biden isn’t the most rabid pro-abortion candidate on the last 40 years (which he is), I can’t stop you…but you should stop yourself, and you should not allow yourself to be so easily deceived by “Good Ol’ Joe.”

“Good Ol’ Joe,” by actions, is the enemy of each devout Catholic and everything our Church - yours and mine both - teaches us.
 
I’ve read that one, and all of the other versions of the 5NNS so many times they are committed to memory 🙂

This is a document that cherry picks some of Catholic teaching while ignoring very important pro life issues.
 
farronwolf said:
So he isn’t fully pro life.

And you are wrong about the additional judges. It at most will revert back to the states with some form of abortion being legal still, and others taking place even if illegal.

So the justices who have said that Roe is settled law during their senate confirmation, would be lying if they overturned Roe. Would you be ok with a justice who has lied to the senate sitting on the court?

My guess is that if it was to overturn Roe, many would be perfectly fine with a justice of the SCOTUS lying to the senate. Would the Senate then be able to impeach the justice for perjury during the senate hearings?
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Did I make the claim he was? No, he is not completely there yet.

I want Roe vs Wade overturned federally. Each state then will have to deal.

I disagree with these settled law and precedent arguments. Even a SCOTUS can be convinced by a morally superior argument as well as a legal one. I have more of an issue with a sitting SCOTUS advocating for murders in the womb.

SCOTUS can evolve on the issue. Remember, at the time of Roe, science was uncertain about when conception occured. There is language that it should be overturned if we learn more. We have. There is no doubt now that a unique human being is in development. Science and the medical community agree. So now they speak of viability as their cover.
 
TheLittleLady said:
I’ve read that one, and all of the other versions of the 5NNS so many times they are committed to memory 🙂

This is a document that cherry picks some of Catholic teaching while ignoring very important pro life issues.
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Please be specific.
 
VonDerTann said:
How do you think God will judge you? That’s all I care about, and I strongly suggest that God certainly cares if we act in a fashion supporting of the pro-life cause as opposed to NARAL.
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God also cares about the immigrants and the poor and many other things. I support the pro-life cause by supporting universal pre-natal and delivery services that will show women they can safely carry their babies to term knowing that we are with them all the way, and not merely to throw them in jail if they don’t.
It’s a free country. If you want to convince yourself Joe Biden isn’t the most rabid pro-abortion candidate on the last 40 years (which he is)…
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That claim is made by the right-wing every year about every Democratic candidate. You can’t expect me to take it seriously now, can you?
 
TheLittleLady said:
This document specifically cherry picks 5 things, only five.

The official document shows us that this is much broader.

I do not know how much more specific I can be than posting a link where you can read for yourself the official guidance of our bishops.
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Is your point that the 5 non-negotiables are negotiable? Or that beyond them there are negotiables?
 
So what about impeaching justices that would have lied to the senate during confirmation hearings. Would you be in favor of that?

So viability is an ok point for you. Generally that is prior to the third tri mester.

The church says it is at conception. Even before implantation.

Science certainly knew that when the two sets of chromosomes combined there was a new distinct life in the late 60’s early 70’s.
 
Again, my point is that the USCCB guide is what I follow.

Pro life is defined by my Church, not by any political party.
 
buffalo said:
Is your point that the 5 non-negotiables are negotiable? Or that beyond them there are negotiables?
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I think the point is there are no negotiables in Catholic values. These five do not hold a special place in Catholic doctrine. That’s kind of what Pope Francis said.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Edit to add. By the 5NN, I cannot vote for Mr Trump because of his support of LGBTQ rights:
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Perhaps you do not understand the part where two candidates stand on the same issue and how to navigate through. We pick the one that will do less harm.
 
buffalo said:
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LeafByNiggle:
I support the pro-life cause by supporting universal pre-natal and delivery services that will show women they can safely carry their babies to term knowing that we are with them all the way, and not merely to throw them in jail if they don’t.
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Here is the thousands that do just that and they are not PP killing centers.

Find a Pregnancy Center in your Area | Care Net Pregnancy Centers
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Wrong. They offer advice and limited assistance. But they do not pay for hospital costs to all - especially in the case of complications, like a C-section.

And just to be clear, I am not suggesting the PP administer this program, or that it offer abortion services. It should have nothing to do with PP.
 
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or Rent or car payments or electric bills, women need our support!
 
farronwolf said:
So what about impeaching justices that would have lied to the senate during confirmation hearings. Would you be in favor of that?

So viability is an ok point for you. Generally that is prior to the third tri mester.

The church says it is at conception. Even before implantation.

Science certainly knew that when the two sets of chromosomes combined there was a new distinct life in the late 60’s early 70’s.
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If they admit the lie, they should go. Positions change. We all know that.

No - how did you get that. I reject the viability argument.

Then Roe should not have passed. It is more recently that we now see the new life has distinct DNA from any other human. We now have the movie of the sperm meeting the egg and the flash of energy given off. Right now, there cannot be any doubt. Life begins at conception and we need to protect life from womb to tomb.
 
TheLittleLady said:
or Rent or car payments or electric bills, women need our support!
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How about chastity education? Incentivizing single mothers causes more of this. Fathers not in the home is terrible.

I argue that charity begets gratitude, government programs beget expectations.
 
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