Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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If we make a law against, say, wearing one’s pants hanging low, would it seem to target Blacks?
I’m not blaming you but the fact you both simultaneously are aware it could but it shouldnt is really racially ignorant and frustrating.

It would because it’s a style adopted from prison. It was a way to signal people and became a way to indicate out of prison you were a convict. Since most people in prison are coloured it shouldnt be a suprise to you who it effects.
Do we now though?
We do, a good example is the voter ID laws we already have in the US. Many poor people can be suckered into fines or post court costs. These costs can prohibit you from registering to vote and the ungodly run around to pay them.

This effectually blocks out people of poverty which are of a majority again people of colour from voting.
Grant you now, not by letter of the law because there is a way if however difficult but definitely by spirit. It becomes way more trouble than it’s worth.
 
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We do, a good example is the voter ID laws
Another is the disparity between sentencing guidelines for crack vs. powder cocaine. Yes, it is less of a disparity now than originally, but 18:1 still seems bad to me, even if not as bad as 100:1.

ETA: I have to wonder if the update was more due to fairness, or because powder cocaine is no longer as tolerated even among the rich and powerful.
 
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Another is the disparity between sentencing guidelines for crack vs. powder cocaine. Yes, it is less of a disparity now than originally, but 18:1 still seems bad to me, even if not as bad as 100:1.

ETA: I have to wonder if the update was more due to fairness, or because powder cocaine is no longer as tolerated even among the rich and powerful.
Or could it be that societal and crime costs of one over the other deserves it?
 
I’m acknowledging that, in theory, some laws could ONLY have a goal of targeting certain people, whether that is Catholics, Blacks, illegal immigrants, etc, and there have been many laws like that in the past in the USA.
I’m pretty sure that if those laws exist today, they will be challenged in short order.

Is a law against “sagging” one’s pants ONLY to target a certain group? Do ONLY Blacks sag their pants? Is there no other reason that the state could have an interest in people not “sagging” their pants in a public place?
Do noise ordinances target certain people? Those loud booming basslines from car radios? So laws against loud car radios target a certain race, or are there other legitimate reasons to have a law against loud car radios?
Do voter ID laws have a legitimate reason for existing? Is it ONLY to target certain groups?

I guess those evil Canadians are targeting certain groups then!

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Federal elections[edit]​

In Canada, the Federal government mails an Elections Canada registration confirmation card, which the voter takes to the polling station. The card tells the individual where and when to vote. Voters must prove their identity and address with one of three options:[9]
  • Show one original government-issued piece of identification with photo, name and address, like a driver’s license or a health card.
  • Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have a name and one must also have an address. Examples: student ID card, birth certificate, public transportation card, utility bill, bank/credit card statement, etc.
  • Take an oath and have an elector who knows the voter vouch for them (both of whom must make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as the voter. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector.
 
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If every American was required, by law, to vote (every black person, every brown person, every woman, every college student, etc.) no republican would ever win another election.
Heck, even if elections were just moved to s Saturday you’d certainly see very different results,. Or election day was made a public holiday. So working stiffs had a better opportunity to vote because they would less likely need time out of their jobs,
 
Can anyone believe even poor minorities do not have ID?
It’s not always about ID but let’s address that;
I live in a city I don’t own a car. Aside from passport most ID doesn’t apply. Why would I pay for a license? I’m a student so traveling while doable it’s easier to stay state side.

My point though was registration. There’s many odd rules that add stumbling blocks for people in low income brackets.

Asking someone in the medium town who doesn’t own a car to drive 45 minutes to pay $80 for a voter registration card is insane. Worse still if you have any outstanding fines or court charges you have to clear those first and wait for the voter registration office to update. Sometimes people go to only find the fine while paid hasn’t been updated.

Necessitating a second visit.

More trouble then it’s worth.
 
Heck, even if elections were just moved to s Saturday you’d certainly see very different results,.
If a person really wants to vote they will. Polls are open to facilitate schedules. And as posted above many have early voting.

96% of Americans have cell phones. What if the voting was tied to the unique cell phone internet address? Howls from the left, I bet…
 
Asking someone in the medium town who doesn’t own a car to drive 45 minutes to pay $80 for a voter registration card is insane. Worse still if you have any outstanding fines or court charges you have to clear those first and wait for the voter registration office to update. Sometimes people go to only find the fine while paid hasn’t been updated.

Necessitating a second visit.

More trouble then it’s worth.
I call BS on this. People routinely drive 45 minutes for work or recreational activities. In addition some states let you register online through their election commission or DMV departments. The only reason not to vote is one really does not want to.
 
Really easy to hack that.
Use the IRS system of filing and paying your taxes online. It is pretty good. In addition, you get in big trouble if the IRS catches you in fraud. It could be that way with voting fraud, too.

I think it is much better than ballot harvesting and mail in voting.
 
I think there are people who have problems getting ID. I have seen an article about such a person in our local newspaper. They got our senator or congressperson involved, I believe.
I think that cases like that are a tiny, tiny, group of people.
How do these people do any civic function? I don’t think they can even get a library card, for instance.

How would such people buy a gun, for instance? 🙃
 
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Heck, even if elections were just moved to s Saturday you’d certainly see very different results,.
If a person really wants to vote they will. Polls are open to facilitate schedules. And as posted above many have early voting.

96% of Americans have cell phones. What if the voting was tied to the unique cell phone internet address? Howls from the left, I bet…
Funny, in Australia we think.voting is actually really irmportant, So we make it compulsory for everyone. AND then we make it as easy (within reason) as we can to do it. So yes we hold elections on a Saturday, always.

And it is almost a party atmosphere, you might have school children selling cakes or Rotary doing what we call a sausage sizzle to raise funds for some worthy n project or other Or sometimes just giving them out for free

This helps in large part to stem feelings of disenfranchisement and a “not my President” sort of attitude. It really is a good thing to make it so easy that those few who strongly DONT want to vote are actually the only ones who don’t
 
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Heck, even if elections were just moved to s Saturday you’d certainly see very different results,.
If a person really wants to vote they will. Polls are open to facilitate schedules. And as posted above many have early voting.

96% of Americans have cell phones. What if the voting was tied to the unique cell phone internet address? Howls from the left, I bet…
Funny, in Australia we think.voting is actually really irmportant, So we make it compulsory for everyone. AND then we make it as easy (within reason) as we can to do it. So yes we hold elections on a Saturday, always.

And it is almost a party atmosphere, you might have school children selling cakes or Rotary doing what we call a sausage sizzle to raise funds for some worthy n project or other Or sometimes just giving them out for free

This helps in large part to stem feelings of disenfranchisement and a “not my President” sort of attitude. It really is a good thing to make it so easy that those few who strongly DONT want to vote are actually the only ones who don’t
That’s nice that you think people don’t work on Saturdays, or have sports, etc.
I’ll take early voting, with about ten different days available.
For instance, here is the info for Early Voting in Cleveland OH.
I personally think it’s hard to make a case that you can’t get to the polls.

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That’s nice that you think people don’t work on Saturdays, or have sports, etc.
I’ll take early voting, with about ten different days available.
For instance, here is the info for Early Voting in Cleveland OH.
I personally think it’s hard to make a case that you can’t get to the polls.

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Uhh … you realise we do have both early and postal voting here too. I have early voted myself. Its funny that you imagine we wouldn’t.

Like I said, just make it as easy as possible by giving folks as much opportunity as possible.
 
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