Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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o, they do not advocate for abortion. They do not promote it. They do not encourage its use. The only thing they will not do is use the power of law to make it illegal.

At this point it might be illuminating to compare this to homosexual acts. We know that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, just like abortion. And although there is still debate on the issue of civil recognition of homosexual unions comparable to marriage, there is no debate in either party that there should not be a law that criminalizes homosexual acts in all circumstances (like there once was). This does not mean the Republicans are promoting homosexual acts. They are not telling people it is a good thing to do. Yet even the Republicans are united in refusing to make those acts punishable under the law. So when you vote for a Republican, are you supporting homosexual acts? No, of course not. Yet you say that voting for a Democrat is supporting abortion.
Actually both are intrinsic evil. An honest comparison - one is murder.

Yes, democrats advocate for abortion. Listen to them. I have asked them myself face to face. Safe. legal and unlimited. How is it ever safe for the baby and many times the mother?

They have advocated for it in front of a national audience during debates.
 
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o, they do not advocate for abortion. They do not promote it. They do not encourage its use. The only thing they will not do is use the power of law to make it illegal.

At this point it might be illuminating to compare this to homosexual acts. We know that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, just like abortion. And although there is still debate on the issue of civil recognition of homosexual unions comparable to marriage, there is no debate in either party that there should not be a law that criminalizes homosexual acts in all circumstances (like there once was). This does not mean the Republicans are promoting homosexual acts. They are not telling people it is a good thing to do. Yet even the Republicans are united in refusing to make those acts punishable under the law. So when you vote for a Republican, are you supporting homosexual acts? No, of course not. Yet you say that voting for a Democrat is supporting abortion.
Actually both are intrinsic evil.
I already said that. It is nice that you agree.
Yes, democrats advocate for abortion. Listen to them. I have asked them myself face to face. Safe. legal and unlimited.
Therefore we can say that the Republicans advocate for homosexual acts. They want them to be legal. The fact that this conclusion is obviously false shows the same error in your conclusion about Democrats.
 
Therefore we can say that the Republicans advocate for homosexual acts. They want them to be legal. The fact that this conclusion is obviously false shows the same error in your conclusion about Democrats.
I have not heard one publicly say they support sodomy.

However, when we are faced with such a choice we must vote for person that will do less harm. 60 million babies dead is a big deal.
 
The messages

Biden camp - America is bad, hate for America

Trump camp - America is good, love for America

Americans will pick the good… Americans love the good
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Therefore we can say that the Republicans advocate for homosexual acts. They want them to be legal. The fact that this conclusion is obviously false shows the same error in your conclusion about Democrats.
I have not heard one publicly say they support sodomy.
Nor have you heard one say he wants to make sodomy illegal in all circumstances. This is the thing you fault the Democrats for - refusing to make abortion illegal.
However, when we are faced with such a choice we must vote for person that will do less harm. 60 million babies dead is a big deal.
Yes, but I have no assurance that if I vote for Trump there will be fewer abortions. So the choice is not so clear. In fact, if past history is any guide, the number of abortions seems to be not correlated at all with whether the President says he is pro-life.
 
Yes, but I have no assurance that if I vote for Trump there will be fewer abortions. So the choice is not so clear. In fact, if past history is any guide, the number of abortions seems to be not correlated at all with whether the President says he is pro-life.
He will have more pro-life constitutional SCOTUS and fed judge picks. That ill make a huge difference in the long run.
 
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Yes, but I have no assurance that if I vote for Trump there will be fewer abortions. So the choice is not so clear. In fact, if past history is any guide, the number of abortions seems to be not correlated at all with whether the President says he is pro-life.
He will have more pro-life constitutional SCOTUS and fed judge picks. That ill make a huge difference in the long run.
The difference it will make is speculation and personal opinion - not something I am bound to accept by the Church. Therefore I exercise my freedom not to believe it.
 
I’m not sure about that. I’m also not entirely sure you’re wrong.
I live in the Twin Cities area, I remember hearing the initial autopsy report on the radio while going to pick up one of my kids from daycare. It was also reported that the Floyd family was going to get their own autopsy done. I could point you towards the podcast of the show, but honestly don’t remember the date.
The guy who did the second autopsy that found asphyxiation, hasn’t he gone after other cases before? And hasn’t his testimony in those other cases been questionable?
:man_shrugging:t2: I just remember hearing the initial autopsy and that the family was going to get their own done.
Hmmm. That’s all I’m gonna say.
Um, OK. I’m not arguing one way or another.
 
And the only thing that Trump is likely to do is also “nothing.”
Wrong. He has already appointed two prolife Supreme Court justices, hundreds of lower court judges, reversed the HHS Mandate, allowed states to defund Planned Parenthood, reinstated the Mexico City policy, and all against the will of the Democrat party.

When Democrats say Trump has done/will do “nothing” that’s just an excuse to vote for the abortion candidate, because manifestly he has done things and can be expected to do more, particularly if Ginsberg can no longer function, which is what Dems are afraid of probably more than anything.
If you want to combat abortion, you have to change minds and hearts
We have been hearing that for decades, and all that has happened is that the Democrat party’s devotion to abortion has grown stronger and more stubborn. Most people equate “moral” with “legal” and as long as a people makes murder legal, people will not only continue to murder, they will think of life as cheap.
 
The messages

Biden camp - America is bad, hate for America

Trump camp - America is good, love for America

Americans will pick the good… Americans love the good
Or, alternatively:

Biden Camp - America should be for all Americans and those seeking freedom

Trump Camp - We’re full. America should be only for Americans. You know, the ones who do what we say.
 
We switch sides to force the other to earn our favour again
Yes. That’s why I wrote in a candidate last time.

I was a registered Republican, but I did not want to vote for Trump.

I hoped someone would noticed that registered Republicans preferred someone else’s.

My county leans republican. Thousands had the same idea to write in a candidate, or vote third party.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
And the only thing that Trump is likely to do is also “nothing.”
Wrong. He has already appointed two prolife Supreme Court justices, hundreds of lower court judges, reversed the HHS Mandate, allowed states to defund Planned Parenthood, reinstated the Mexico City policy,
I meant he has done nothing to that is actually reflected in the numbers of abortions.
If you want to combat abortion, you have to change minds and hearts
We have been hearing that for decades, and all that has happened is that the Democrat party’s devotion to abortion has grown stronger and more stubborn.
I am not referring to the hearts and minds of politicians. I am referring to the hearts and minds of the women who choose abortion. Those are the hearts and minds that will make the biggest difference in bringing down the number of abortions, hopefully to zero eventually.
 
The difference it will make is speculation and personal opinion - not something I am bound to accept by the Church. Therefore I exercise my freedom not to believe it.
C’mon… Let me ask this question - what judges will Biden appoint? Are you serious? You well know he will appoint pro-abort judges. We have a much better chance with Trumps picks.
 
Biden Camp - America should be for all Americans and those seeking freedom

Trump Camp - We’re full. America should be only for Americans. You know, the ones who do what we say.
Trump is for legal immigration. The dems are for open borders. The child and adult trafficking through the border is a big issue.

Congress gets the finger point for not fixing the immigration laws for decades. Former admin gets the finger point for not enforcing the law which btw is illegal.
 
I am not referring to the hearts and minds of politicians. I am referring to the hearts and minds of the women who choose abortion.
Our laws reflect the morality of the people. Legalized abortion gives the thumbs up signal that it is OK.

Making it illegal gives the signal all life is to be respected, from womb to tomb.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The difference it will make is speculation and personal opinion - not something I am bound to accept by the Church. Therefore I exercise my freedom not to believe it.
C’mon… Let me ask this question - what judges will Biden appoint?
Judges that will have to be confirmed by the Senate. Judges cannot campaign on how they will vote on specific questions. Yes, I would like to see Roe overturned. But I do not think even that will have much effect. In any case, it is a personal judgement as to what will work.
 
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