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You’re talking about things that happened 50 years ago - as you’ve done in the past, where you’re blamed the police for alleged murders in the 1980s.

You have no evidence whatsoever that can credibly support any claim of “white supremacist ideology” circa 2020.
 
VonDerTann said:
You have no evidence whatsoever that can credibly support any claim of “white supremacist ideology” circa 2020.
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Redlining has far reaching implications into the present. Just last week Trump assured people that affordable housing act won’t impact high end neighborhoods.

Is that recent enough?

The war on drugs hasn’t really ended with mandatory minimums still reaching into the present which disproportionately affected people of colour.

Is that recent enough?

The fact that Marissa Alexander fired a warning shot at her estranged husband under Florida stand your ground law and got TWENTY YEARS.

Is that recent enough?

I don’t normally claim to win an argument but I’ve consistently thrown cases like the above at you in other threads. You’ve then ignored them then appear in another thread like you have amnesia.

And we do it again.

Address the point already.
 
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Take a look at why the black Panthers were disarmed when they abided by rules laid out both in the constitution and gun laws.
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I will add this, however. To say it was racism against the Panthers or AIM and leave it at that does a disservice to the full point of COINTELPRO.

It was also to crush any idea of decentralized political organizing, thus robbing the federal government of it’s hold over society. Race played its part, yes, but it wasn’t the entirety of the story.

As for my feelings on the Panthers, their original program I could get behind. Murray Rothbard and Karl Hess, especially the latter, had contact with them and both said they were libertarian in their own way. The unfortunate influence of Maoist ideology largely did away with that.

Interestingly Ward Churchill speculated COINTELPRO tactics continued and that the Oklahoma City Bombing in part resulted from federal infiltration of the militia movement. I bring this up because after mentioning Hess and Rothbard I was reminded of their attempt to forge a left/right alliance, and the subsequent attempts to do so in the decades that followed. CounterPunch at one time seemed to be trying to do something like that.
 
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StudentMI said:
I will add this, however. To say it was racism against the Panthers or AIM and leave it at that does a disservice to the full point of COINTELPRO.
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This is fair, I won’t pretend they were perfect.
That said I’m constantly frustrated white people can do things that are questionable but whatever but if coloured people do it every Karen’s got 911 on speed dial.
 
Those things have nothing to do with alleged racism (Marissa Alexander).

Public housing SHOULD be kept out of suburbs, and its not racist to say so: Public housing is a font of drug dealers and other crime. Why should my tax dollars have to fund free or low cost housing, which will bring those problems with it, right next door to me? If you love public housing so much, ask your legislators to build some next to you, and see how quickly your property value drops. I can make a great argument that there shouldn’t be ANY public housing, at all.
 
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VonDerTann said:
Public housing SHOULD be kept out of suburbs, and its not racist to say so: Public housing is a font of drug dealers and other crime. Why should my tax dollars have to fund free or low cost housing, which will bring those problems with it, right next door to me? If you love public housing so much, ask your legislators to build some next to you, and see how quickly your property value drops.
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I don’t own a house because a bank thinks it’s too big a risk.
Doesn’t matter that I’m paying 750 a month when a Mortgage would only be 450.
I’d save for a down payment but I’m paying almost a grand on rent every month.

If you can’t see how poverty traps people and clearly coloured people weren’t magically rich when emancipated…

That’s how racism extends to today. I have to live next to drug dealers and criminals and be associated with them. As will my children and likely theirs. And worse they maybe caught up in that life directly or otherwise.

There’s your answer.
 
No, YOU try again: it has nothing to do with race.

I’m sorry you can’t afford a house. That is unrelated to race.

There was a terrific article on the web today to the effect of “race problems are a clear stand in for class warfare.” You’re blaming race for economic problems.
 
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The problem is that public housing in suburbia will likely just lead to more white flight and increased tension over such.
 
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No, YOU try again: it has nothing to do with race.

I’m sorry you can’t afford a house. That is unrelated to race.
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You aren’t addressing the point:

If you can’t see how forcing people into poverty after you can’t own them then associating poverty and everything that comes with it I can’t help you.

Take the term N word knife. A broken bottle cause black man can’t afford a proper knife. Poverty, racial bias all in two words. The fact you can say that phrase and most people understand it as I’ve described it only proves the point.
 
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If you can’t see how forcing people into poverty after you can’t own them then associating poverty and everything that comes with it I can’t help you.
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The answer isn’t necessarily more public housing and assistance, however. That brings with it it’s own host of problems.

Now if you’re talking business investment, that’s an avenue that could be explored.
 
I’m sorry, I cannot understand head nor hide of what you are speaking about, so I must decline further response.

Systemic racism is a myth; blacks are not “forced” into poverty (banks were essentially forced to approve ‘no-doc’ loans to minorities, many of which cratered, forcing thousands into foreclosures); keep working and saving and you can achieve home ownership.

Good evening.
 
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VonDerTann said:
I’m sorry, I cannot understand head nor hide of what you are speaking about, so I must decline further response.

Systemic racism is a myth; blacks are not “forced” into poverty (banks were essentially forced to approve ‘no-doc’ loans to minorities, many of which cratered, forcing thousands into foreclosures); keep working and saving and you can achieve home ownership.

Good evening.
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See ya next thread. Take the time to actually look into those points cause we’ll be doing this dance again.
 
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Systemic racism is a myth…
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I think it can be somewhat verified using Hayek’s idea of spontaneous order. But I can also agree that quite a bit of writing on the issue downplays personal responsibility to an absurd degree.
 
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