Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

[Margaret_Ann]

There is in fact nothing “comical” about what was in fact a coup attempt

And this has been going on for 3.5 years as the left has been trying to negate the 2016 election. I’ve never seen a man hated so much as PT.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

I don’t know how a Catholic in good conscience could vote for Trump… completely beyond me

I don’t know how a Catholic in good conscience could vote for Biden, who publicly supports abortion in spite of the constant teaching of the Church against it.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

He is not forcing anyone to take it, and so he is not killing babies. At worst he is standing by while others kill babies, in which case the main guilt lies with those who choose to do that. I

He and KH publicly support abortion and would use OUR taxpayer dollars to fund abortion. If you look at Canon Law or the CCEO then you know that no Catholic can support abortion esp in public.

 

[Anrakyr]

And this has been going on for 3.5 years as the left has been trying to negate the 2016 election. I’ve never seen a man hated so much as PT.

If it makes you feel any better me and my boys hate Obama just as much.

 

[VonDerTann]

Actually, it’s pretty sad that you hate Obama. Do I dislike Obama? I do. Dislike his policies? Yes. Dislike his behaviors? Yes. Hate him? No.

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[Margaret_Ann]

I don’t hate Obama but I did and still do hate his anti-life, anti-Catholic policies.

 

[Anrakyr]

I don’t hate Obama but I did and still do hate his anti-life, anti-Catholic policies.

The point I’m trying to drill down to here is that there’s this “only one party is moral” over tone. Both are deeply flawed. We switch sides to force the other to earn our favour again.
Supposedly we do this to keep them honest but the parties counter it by crafting this narrative of “the other guy is evil.”

Both are bad and we can’t make them better if we don’t hold our own factions to the fire.

Otherwise we slip into this pit of refusing to acknowledge flaws because by doing so the other side wins.

The fact that you profess to hate both Obama and Trump? I’m setting you on ignore. I don’t engage haters.

Yeah, I didn’t need to know this at all.
Bye.

 

[Peeps]

But having a president who, admittedly, grabs women by their privates and a first lady that has posed nude is completely acceptable to the church? Having a president who has been married three times is acceptable? A president who gives tax cuts to his friends but raises taxes for the poor? A president who makes fun of women, people of color, the disabled? These things are morally wrong. Please don’t tell me how Catholics should vote.

So you don’t think people who are guilty of sin should be allowed to be part of a church?

The President of U.S. has no authority to raise taxes. Congress has this power. And the poor do not pay taxes–if income is under a certain level, no income taxes are paid.

Yes, taxes have been raised on the “sin” products–liquor, cigarettes (ai yi yi! those taxes are soooo high!), various recreational activities, etc. You think that’s wrong? You think “the poor” should be spending their limited income on smokes and beer?

But the PRESIDENT (the Executive Branch) has no power to raise taxes.

I suggest doing more research and listening to BOTH sides of the political issue. CONTACT your local representatives and senators and ask them your questions. Get the truth.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

He is not forcing anyone to take it, and so he is not killing babies. At worst he is standing by while others kill babies, in which case the main guilt lies with those who choose to do that. I

If you look at Canon Law or the CCEO then you know that no Catholic can support abortion esp in public.

Despite the claims to the contrary, I am not supporting abortion when I vote for Democrats.

 

[davidharper]

If every American was required, by law, to vote (every black person, every brown person, every woman, every college student, etc.) no republican would ever win another election.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Another way to look at it - are there not many reliable and competent countries who report much lower death rates than the US?

There are some. Can you show us that the method of, say, Germany, of counting is exactly the same as ours? Remember that even the NYT and Atlantic acknowledged that the CDC was overcounting.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yes you are. If you know their platform (and you do), and you know that’s what they intend to do…
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“Intend to do?” Abortion is already legal. It has been legal since 1973. And it was not made legal by any Presidential decision. The only thing the Democrats “intend to do” is nothing. And the only thing that Trump is likely to do is also “nothing.” So as far as abortion is concerned, it is “nothing” vs. “nothing”, and I am choosing the first “nothing”.

(and you do), and yet you still vote for them you are voting in that policy.

That policy is already in. It has been for 47 years.

You are directly contributing to their policies, which is a sin.

The sin the choice made by women who choose abortion and the doctors who perform the abortion.

You are directly, physically, and willfully supporting the legalization of abortion.

I doubt that the choice of President is going to affect that policy one way or the other. But the real evil is not in the law as much as it is in the choices individuals make. If you want to combat abortion, you have to change minds and hearts of those people and convince them that human life is precious and the society stands ready to support their decision to bear a child to term. That will be much more effective at reducing abortion than voting for Donald Trump again.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It is not my party.

 

[buffalo]

But having a president who, admittedly, grabs women by their privates and a first lady that has posed nude is completely acceptable to the church? Having a president who has been married three times is acceptable? A president who gives tax cuts to his friends but raises taxes for the poor? A president who makes fun of women, people of color, the disabled? These things are morally wrong. Please don’t tell me how Catholics should vote.

These past behaviors are unacceptable. Every person has a chance to repent, right to the very end. That is how Jesus will judge. So many great saints had sinful pasts.’’

Source for your claim about tax cuts? You surely must be aware tax policy has to go through congress.

Browse around for what people of color are actually saying.

 

[Rau]

If you want to combat abortion, you have to change minds and hearts of those people and convince them that human life is precious and the society stands ready to support their decision to bear a child to term.

Has the Trump camp expressed that policy position?

 

[buffalo]

The war on drugs hasn’t really ended with mandatory minimums still reaching into the present which disproportionately affected people of colour.

I am not sure what the point is here. Are you saying that we should change the law based on a persons skin color?

 

[buffalo]

Despite the claims to the contrary, I am not supporting abortion when I vote for Democrats.

Yes you are. Their platform and everyone of them consistently advocate for abortion. Cuomo in NY, is so afraid of the federal laws has codified it for 9 months in NYS. The elected dare not turn pro-life as the party will not sponsor them during next election cycle. They abort them out of office. See what is happening right now with the democrat pro-lifers trying to be heard. Shutup and sit down, they are told.

Democrats really believe abortion is the key to the woman’s heart at the voting booth.

 

[whatistrue]

No, I am not.

The USCCB has stated that it is permissible to vote for a candidate that holds or supports positions contrary to Catholic doctrine so long as you are voting for them for other reasons and in spite of those positions; you are not allowed to vote for them because of those positions. I will pay attention to what the Bishops say as opposed to some random Internet poster when it comes to matters of faith.

 

[buffalo]

The answer isn’t necessarily more public housing and assistance, however. That brings with it it’s own host of problems.

Now if you’re talking business investment, that’s an avenue that could be explored.

Pres Trump and his Opportunity Zones

An Opportunity Zone is an economically-distressed community where private investments, under certain conditions, may be eligible for capital gain tax incentives.

Opportunity Zones were created under the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, signed into law by President Donald J. Trump on December 22, 2017, to stimulate economic development and job creation, by incentivizing long- term investments in low-income neighborhoods.

There are more than 8,760 designated Qualified Opportunity Zones (PDF) located in all 50 States, the District of Columbia, and five United States territories. Investors can defer tax on any prior gains invested in a Qualified Opportunity Fund (QOF) until the earlier of the date on which the investment in a QOF is sold or exchanged or until December 31, 2026.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Despite the claims to the contrary, I am not supporting abortion when I vote for Democrats.

Yes you are.

I think I am more of an authority on what I support than someone who knows nothing about me except what I post. When I say I don’t believe in abortion, that’s it.

Their platform and everyone of them consistently advocate for abortion.

No, they do not advocate for abortion. They do not promote it. They do not encourage its use. The only thing they will not do is use the power of law to make it illegal.

At this point it might be illuminating to compare this to homosexual acts. We know that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil, just like abortion. And although there is still debate on the issue of civil recognition of homosexual unions comparable to marriage, there is no debate in either party that there should not be a law that criminalizes homosexual acts in all circumstances (like there once was). This does not mean the Republicans are promoting homosexual acts. They are not telling people it is a good thing to do. Yet even the Republicans are united in refusing to make those acts punishable under the law. So when you vote for a Republican, are you supporting homosexual acts? No, of course not. Yet you say that voting for a Democrat is supporting abortion.