Why do Catholic leave the Church?

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It is not “God’s money.” It is our money that we give to the Church. We expect them to be good stewards of the money and use it appropriately. God does not need money. Ever.
 
Unfortunately, Peter, your position is both theologically unsound and emotionally hollow at a practical level: God and the church are not one and the same. If you were correct, the church is entitled to every dollar I ever earn; how dare I act as if maybe I’m entitled to even a penny; and they’ll decide unilaterally how many pennies they give back to me for my own support.

In fact, I’ll go further: your position is identical to that of many cults, who do in fact demand all their members’ assets for the cult to redistribute.

People leave the church because of demands for money? Sheesh, you’ve made it the church’s money and I have to ask THEM to get a few cents back!
 
Pattylt said:
I think it’s more about a disconnect between what the religion teaches the world is and what some see around them that doesn’t match. For some, like me, the supernatural just isn’t there. We can’t see it or feel it.
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This. A lot of ppl here seem to conflate teaching something with believing. Especially if it contradicts one’s experiences or senses.
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I know for me, nothing in the real world seduced me. I wasn’t tempted by sin or rejecting my parents.
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If one is “tempted by sin” would that imply as belief in sin anyway?
Pattylt said:
At the time, I though I was the only person that existed that didn’t believe in God.
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Been there. Pre-internet it I assumed everyone else believed.
 
But he’s right. According to the Universal Destination of Goods in Catholic social teaching, all goods (money, belongings, natural things) belong to God, and we are stewards of them.

No, our money does not all belong to the Church, but our worship and love of God requires us to support her material needs according to her precepts. That is God’s command.
 
God and the church are not the same.

I owe to God a duty to act wisely with my money - but it’s mine as compared to the church’s; I don’t have to pay over every nickel to the church. Or is that in fact what you think is required of me?
 
Uh, NO, not strawman and certainly not worth an “LoL.”

Seriously, do you have money in your wallet? How dare you! Bring it to the parish and give it to them. They own the dollars in your wallet.

Have you a paycheck? Endorse it over to the parish.

Mom and dad leave you money in their will? It will never hit your account; it belongs to the parish.

Your house is not yours. The bishop will move In with you tonight.

See, it’s that stark. You are in fact advocating that all assets are the church’s.

Bu the church doesn’t teach it - and you don’t practice it, either!
 
Neither I nor @johnd2 ever said anything like that. You’re freaking out because your parish asked you for money. You’re acting irrationally.
 
Uh, NO, I’m not “freaking out,” I’m actually having a great deal of fun pointing out the weakness of your position (that you’re trying to walk back).

It’s evident that you in fact recognize: it’s actually MY money, not the church’s. As I said, I have an obligation to act wisely with my money.

If you disagree, please don’t respond - just drive the parish’s car to drop off the computer you’re typing on at the parish, as the parish owns that too.
 
I can’t disagree, because you’re flying around ranting about something we never said. I can’t argue irrationality.
 
Well then, just please answer this: is the money in my pocket mine? Or does the church own it?
 
I can’t argue against your irrational position and false dichotomy.
 
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I’m not even advocating a position - just asking a question. Please answer (editing your prior post isn’t an answer).
 
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HerCrazierHalf said:
If one is “tempted by sin” would that imply as belief in sin anyway?
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Well, at the time I began losing faith, I still believed in “sin”. Now, no. It’s an easy shortcut word to use with anyone religious, however.
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Been there. Pre-internet it I assumed everyone else believed.
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When I learned that not everyone believed in God, I can’t even describe how happy I was. Then, I learned there was a name for the lack of belief. Then the internet connected me to others! By then, I was also married to a non believer but knew no one else! I discovered others…some really smart…that were able to put into words all my issues. Cathartic doesn’t even begin to describe it! 🤣
 
Cute jewelry on that site! I know an irish or two that would love it as well! ❤️
 
VonDerTann said:
God and the church are not the same.

I owe to God a duty to act wisely with my money - but it’s mine as compared to the church’s; I don’t have to pay over every nickel to the church. Or is that in fact what you think is required of me?
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God has made you the steward of any money that you have received for any reason. You are the steward of that money, not your parish nor your church. But it is still God’s money entrusted to you to use it wisely for the glory of God.
 
VonDerTann said:
Well then, just please answer this: is the money in my pocket mine? Or does the church own it?
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The money in your pocket is neither yours nor is it the church’s. It’s God money, pure and simple.

And it is YOU (not the Church) who has been entrusted by God to be the steward of that money that is in your pocket to use it wisely and prudently for His glory.
 
I think a big part of it is that the Church has lost a lot of its authority through the scandals. Its lost its confidence and rarely speaks out on moral issues. It is its lack of authority that has allowed gay marraige, abortion and now talk of euthanisa to come into Ireland. The church was silent through the whole time.
 
Yeah a lot of people just don’t have any reason to believe. I mean maybe Christianity is just like many religions out there. Eventually they kind of fizzle out and no one really believes in them anymore. Times change and people change and Christianity is slowly getting “old” which also leads to less credible and accurate evidence from the time period in which Jesus lived
 
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