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TheLittleLady
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Us women who were not married to an eternal husband who has his own world, we are forced to be servants to the holy people in the next life, that is a Mormon teaching.
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tgGodsway
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You’re reading too much into my speech. Of course there won’t be janitors in heaven. But there will be ranking of authority based upon one’s willingness to invest. We will NOT all be equal in terms of authority given. Some will rule over cities and nations, others will rule over nothing. They will be citizens of heaven, but own nothing. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit (own) the earth! Mt. 5:5.
But not every Christian will be meek. Therefore they will not inherit. the purpose of the judgment seat of Christ is not to determine entrance to eternal life, no … no… it is to determine what you have earned here on earth based on your obedience to Christ.
But not every Christian will be meek. Therefore they will not inherit. the purpose of the judgment seat of Christ is not to determine entrance to eternal life, no … no… it is to determine what you have earned here on earth based on your obedience to Christ.
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Fauken
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No… unless I misspoke, I don’t think so.
Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross opened the gates of Heaven to us.
It doesn’t automatically mean that He reaches through the gates and pulls us in against our will.
It’s not only. Though I may be reading your post wrong. I think I have, actually, I apologize.No. Only that we believe in Him. Isn’t that what Jesus said in Jn. 5:24?
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tgGodsway
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Dan_Defender, you’ve put words in my mouth I never said. I know of no one who says we have a free pass to sin. The opposite is true. As far as a spiritual transfer from old to new. Yes it is. Jesus made it plain and clear. If you believe in Him you will enter eternal life! Jn. 6:47 Jesus repeats himself. “he who believes in ME has everlasting life!” awesome stuff.John 5:24 means a spiritual transfer from the old covenant to the new, not a free pass to sin. All Christians since the Apostles and for at least 1500 years believed this, until protestants twisted the interpretation of Scripture. Otherwise show us the witnesses to your interpretation before AD 1500.
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tgGodsway
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Okay, in regards to how one receives eternal life, what else did He say?
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Fauken
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“9:23 And he said to all: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.
9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: for he that shall lose his life for my sake shall save it.
9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world and lose himself and cast away himself?
9:26 For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him the Son of man shall be ashamed, when he shall come in his majesty and that of his Father and of the holy angels.”
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tgGodsway
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Okay. We know that in heaven there is no marriage between husband and wife. But our status of authority is an earned status. If you and I choose to live for “self” rather than Christ, we certainly have the freedom to do so. But when Christ brings us to account for it, he cannot multiply zero with zero. If we choose to invest nothing, then even though we have eternal life with Him, we will have earned nothing for eternity. But like Hank Williams, some people see their shack with a lot of gratitude. That in of itself can be rewarded. But we will not have our own world, we will have Christ kingdom for a thousand years.
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tgGodsway
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These are some of my favorite passages in regards to discipleship. Please point to the exact scripture where Jesus is answering the eternal life question.
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Fauken
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You’re wanting me to quote John 3:16. Saying that verse is the answer to how one gets eternal life is a gross oversimplification.These are some of my favorite passages in regards to discipleship. Please point to the exact scripture where Jesus is answering the eternal life question.
“2:19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.”
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tgGodsway
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Please understand the intent of each author. Matthew, Mark and Luke were written for the primary purpose of teaching discipleship. John’s gospel sticks out as an evangelistic gospel. This is why there is more narrative about how one receives eternal life in John’s gospel than Matthew, Mark, and Luke combined. Jesus repeats himself over and over again in John’s gospel far beyond John 3:16.You’re wanting me to quote John 3:16. Saying that verse is the answer to how one gets eternal life is a gross oversimplification.
I’ll go even further. There is no scripture teaching how one becomes eternally saved anywhere in Matt, Mark, Luke.
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Fauken
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Says who?Please understand the intent of each author. Matthew, Mark and Luke were written for the primary purpose of teaching discipleship.
And that’s why you asked for Scripture instead of Scriptures, right?This is why there is more narrative about how one receives eternal life in John’s gospel than Matthew, Mark, and Luke combined. Jesus repeats himself over and over again in John’s gospel far beyond John 3:16.
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tgGodsway
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I don’t know what you mean here.
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tgGodsway
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Look… a word study on the words eternal life with a bible concordance will prove my points easily. But as you say, I’m trying to make it simple and eternal life is so complicated!.. says who?
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Fauken
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Who says that John is an Evangelistic gospel while Matthew, Mark, and Luke are about discipleship?I don’t know what you mean here.
I don’t care how many Bible studies or commentaries you can pull out, we Catholics have our own. I didn’t say that eternal life is complicated, I said you’re oversimplifying it.Look… a word study on the words eternal life with a bible concordance will prove my points easily. But as you say, I’m trying to make it simple and eternal life is so complicated!.. says who?
You can say and cite whatever commentaries you want. They’re not authoritative.
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tgGodsway
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okay. If you want to reinvent the wheel, you go ahead. Just go verse by verse in all four gospels. You will find the call to eternal life strictly in John’s gospel. But don’t believe me, I’m just a guy on the internet. You can do the work yourself. Jesus spoke often about eternal life and how one should receive it. All of it was in John’s gospel.
Following Christ requires denying self and taking up one’s cross. If you try to save your own life you will lose it! Eternally?.. is that the context?.. how so? what exactly in the verse are you looking at that shows your point?
Jesus went on to say, “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall COME in his own glory…” Jesus will be ashamed of people who were ashamed of Him. Okay… What is He referring to?.. I would suggest He’s talking about the judgment seat of Christ when the entire body of Christ will stand before Him.
None of these verses answer the specific question of how one receives eternal life.
Following Christ requires denying self and taking up one’s cross. If you try to save your own life you will lose it! Eternally?.. is that the context?.. how so? what exactly in the verse are you looking at that shows your point?
Jesus went on to say, “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall COME in his own glory…” Jesus will be ashamed of people who were ashamed of Him. Okay… What is He referring to?.. I would suggest He’s talking about the judgment seat of Christ when the entire body of Christ will stand before Him.
None of these verses answer the specific question of how one receives eternal life.
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chrisjb
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Aside from Matthew 25, today’s daily reading is also quite relevant to the original poster’s title question:
“Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself,
take up his cross, and follow me.
For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world
and forfeit his life?
Or what can one give in exchange for his life?
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory,
and then he will repay each according to his conduct.
Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here
who will not taste death
until they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”
Gospel MT 16:24-28
Jesus said to his disciples,“Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself,
take up his cross, and follow me.
For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world
and forfeit his life?
Or what can one give in exchange for his life?
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory,
and then he will repay each according to his conduct.
Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here
who will not taste death
until they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”
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tgGodsway
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This is all good stuff.
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Fauken
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I don’t think you get what I’m saying. I’m not re-inventing the wheel. I’m going by how it was originally made. You point to Scripture with your interpretation of how it should be read: that John’s Gospel is about how to get eternal life and the others aren’t (because somehow the other Disciples simply didn’t care to discuss it I suppose).okay. If you want to reinvent the wheel, you go ahead. Just go verse by verse in all four gospels.
It’s ultimately your interpretation of it. And I do not recognize your authority to interpret the Scriptures. I recognize the Catholic Church’s authority to interpret the Scriptures. And it has answered that your interpretation is erroneous. We can keep citing verses until we’re blue in the face, but in the end, nothing gets resolved. People have been doing that since the very first heresy that arose in the Church in the book of Acts. What matters is authority.
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tgGodsway
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Well since you appeal to authority, I have no more to say on this subject. You’re right! I am not under the CC. But I am under authority and have authority from those over me and by Christ Himself. But my organization in the body of Christ is not of your organization, therefore we can stop here.
Blessings to you sir.
Blessings to you sir.
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