Why do people on CAF seem to think liberals are evil?

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anon10271182 said:
Your opinions on Church dogmatic teachings are irrelevant. Nothing personal; I would say that to anyone who is an unbeliever or an apostate.
I sincerely hope that you recant and repent. And I will continue to pray for all those who reject the teachings of Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
That’s all I can do for you. Pax vobiscum.
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Dude, you used to say the same to me when I was Catholic. You don’t care about peoples opinions if they disagree with you.
 
How does this relate to abortion? So I’m assuming you think abortion is universally wrong so no one should be legally allowed to have one. I think the problem lies that not everyone defines life in the same way. When does life begin?

I think what are the options for women who want to abort. I know the popular answer is adopt. There are plenty of children in the Fostercare still awaiting to be adopted.
 
One is still living within the women, the other is not. Maybe women who wish to have an abortion can transfer their embryo to a woman wants to grow a pregnancy.

You can’t compare an embryo to a five year old.
 
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I think the problem lies that not everyone defines life in the same way. When does life begin?
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Alright, so if I decide life doesn’t begin until someone is able to pay taxes on their own income, does that mean I can dismember a five year old?
 
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So I’m assuming you think abortion is universally wrong so no one should be legally allowed to have one.
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Like I said, killing is killing and there are universal truths established by God. Please refer to the 10 Commandments.
 
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You can’t compare an embryo to a five year old.
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Why not? They are both human? Surely if we believe in human rights we believe that a genetically distinct human being in the womb should have the right to life like a genetically distinct human being outside of the womb.
 
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Once the embryo can be sustained outside of the mother, sure. But before then they can risk the mother’s life and I place the mother first.
 
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Alex337 said:
But before then they can risk the mother’s life and I place the mother first.
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Ok and when is the baby the risk of the mother’s life to the point when a direct murder of the child is necessary?

Be specific please I am curious
 
I think we’re debating when life in the womb begins. A five year old although dependant on parents is an autonomous being.
 
I honestly don’t recall ever seeing your username until a couple of days ago. Regardless–please review what I said. You express views that are totally contrary to Church teaching. You have rejected the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Your “disagreement” is with Church teaching. I earnestly implore you to recant and repent, for the sake of your immortal soul.
 
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Alex337:
But before then they can risk the mother’s life and I place the mother first.
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Ok and when is the baby the risk of the mother’s life to the point when a direct murder of the child is necessary?

Be specific please I am curious
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My mother with one of my siblings. My mother isn’t a healthy woman and almost died when she had both my brother and I. When I was 10 she was pregnant again and had that baby been carried to term the birth would have put her life at too great a risk.

It was a hard decision and I do wish I had another sibling, but I fully believe my mother would have died in the attempt. Before we had to make the decision my mother miscarried.
 
Why stop there? Humanity according to you is relative. I say that five year old is hardly autonomous. If an unborn child’s life is up for grabs, why not a five year old?

You can’t compare a working adult to a five year old.
 
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My mother with one of my siblings. My mother isn’t a healthy woman and almost died when she had both my brother and I. When I was 10 she was pregnant again and had that baby been carried to term the birth would have put her life at too great a risk.

It was a hard decision and I do wish I had another sibling, but I fully believe my mother would have died in the attempt. Before we had to make the decision my mother miscarried.
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I am sorry such a thing happened in your family truly. I don’t know your mother’s medical information.

I have read up on a former abortionist named Dr. Anthony Levatino who said something about this topic:

I was faculty at the hospital for nine years, and I saw hundreds of cases of really severe pregnancy complications — cancers, heart disease, intractable diabetes out of control, toxemia of pregnancy out of control. And I saved — in those nine years — I saved hundreds of women from life-threatening pregnancies. And I did that by delivering them — by ending their pregnancy by delivery, either induction of labor or caesarean section. Delivering the baby. And I always tell people: in all those years, the number of babies that I had to — that I was obligated to deliberately kill in the process — was zero. None.
 
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Children are obviously human. An embryo is debatable. An embryo is an early stage of development. It is an organism.They arent even conscious. They may not even have a brain. I understand being against abortion but it is not right to compare the personhood of a child to an embryo. If the
 
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Jump4Joy said:
Children are obviously human. An embryo is debatable. An embryo is an early stage of development. It is an organism.They arent even conscious. They may not even have a brain. I understand being against abortion but it is not right to compare the personhood of a child to an embryo. If the
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5-6 weeks after conception, a fetus’ brain demonstrates activity.
 
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Alex337:
My mother with one of my siblings. My mother isn’t a healthy woman and almost died when she had both my brother and I. When I was 10 she was pregnant again and had that baby been carried to term the birth would have put her life at too great a risk.

It was a hard decision and I do wish I had another sibling, but I fully believe my mother would have died in the attempt. Before we had to make the decision my mother miscarried.
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I am sorry such a thing happened in your family truly. I don’t know your mother’s medical information.

I have read up on a former abortionist named Dr. Anthony Levatino who said something about this topic:

I was faculty at the hospital for nine years, and I saw hundreds of cases of really severe pregnancy complications — cancers, heart disease, intractable diabetes out of control, toxemia of pregnancy out of control. And I saved — in those nine years — I saved hundreds of women from life-threatening pregnancies. And I did that by delivering them — by ending their pregnancy by delivery, either induction of labor or caesarean section. Delivering the baby. And I always tell people: in all those years, the number of babies that I had to — that I was obligated to deliberately kill in the process — was zero. None.
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I doubt he’d have been able to help. That child was never going to be unfortunately. I wish I knew more about my family biological history (both my parents were adopted) because the sheer amount of difficulty with pregnancy my mother has had makes me fearful. And not just her own health but unviable pregnancies, which are the most heartbreaking thing in the world.
 
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