Why do people on CAF seem to think liberals are evil?

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An embryo is debatable.
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A unique human genetic code isn’t good enough to be considered human? Then anything goes.
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It is an organism.
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Define organism. That same fetus moves, digests, has brain activity, etc.
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They arent even conscious.
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While minimal, it notes that fetuses have a minimal level of consciousness. They’re conscious.
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compare the personhood of a child to an embryo.
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They are every bit as human as you and I are.
 
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Alex337 said:
I doubt he’d have been able to help. That child was never going to be unfortunately. I wish I knew more about my family biological history (both my parents were adopted) because the sheer amount of difficulty with pregnancy my mother has had makes me fearful. And not just her own health but unviable pregnancies, which are the most heartbreaking thing in the world.
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Indeed it is a tragedy when such things occur. I can’t imagine what your mother was feeling after that
 
I just want to gently suggest that you’re arguing against the personhood of a fetus on a Catholic forum – that is, a forum populated by people who adhere to the teachings of the Catholic Church, which didn’t randomly come to its conclusions about personhood and abortion – and you’re way out of your depth here. I don’t say this to dismiss your ideas but instead to prepare you…
 
It was rough. We’re still amazed my brother and I exist; we were both strangling ourselves with umbilical cords on the way out and my brother was a premmy (side note, these things are a great idea for helping premature babies I saw recently; https://www.kidspot.com.au/health/b.../news-story/208cbc919d25ff8af0ada82bd81ff8ea?)

But yes, it’s a horrible decision to have to make. But I will always support a woman deciding to protect her life. If my mother had made that choice it wouldn’t have been a selfish one; she wanted that child so badly. She’d have made the decision to remain for my brother and I.
 
Granting full personhood at conception to an egg without a brain, consciousness, beating geaer is interesting stance. They feel no pain or pleasure. They aren’t even aware or have senses. Why are they the moral equivalent of killing a child?
If death is defined as no brain activity or consciousness why is life defined at conception if there is no brain activity or consciousness either?
 
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Granting full personhood at conception to an egg without a brain, consciousness, beating geaer is interesting stance. They feel no pain or pleasure. They aren’t even aware or have senses. Why are they the moral equivalent of killing a child?
If death is defined as no brain activity or consciousness why is life defined at conception if there is no brain activity or consciousness either?
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You’ve demonstrated that you don’t have a grasp on what a fetus experiences, what she’s aware of, etc., which is why I said you’re way out of your depth here.
 
Alex337 said:
But I will always support a woman deciding to protect her life.
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I agree with that 100% and then I also say that I want to protect the child’s life as well. Many overlook the child’s life as nothing. Imagine that, nothing. The child is a gift to the world and should have the right to life which is so carelessly disregarded as nothing…

I would like you to see this website and perhaps it has some interesting info if you don’t mind of course.


(Why is that picture there 🤔)
 
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I’m certainly glad you don’t “follow me.” However as you’ve already been informed, God does not lead people to reject the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. He certainly doesn’t lead people to join a “church” that calls same sex “marriage” holy. Pride and the devil will lead someone to that–not God.
We are done. I will continue to pray for you in conjunction with my prayers for all those who reject the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
 
People also assume that the people making that decision viewed the choice as nothing. And I’ve seen that rip my mother apart.

How rough are the stories on the site? I’ll be honest I’m feeling a touch down after dredging up old pains so it may be something I put off for a day or two. I’m not a delicate snowflake but it’s a painful subject.
 
Alex337 said:
How rough are the stories on the site? I’ll be honest I’m feeling a touch down after dredging up old pains so it may be something I put off for a day or two. I’m not a delicate snowflake but it’s a painful subject.
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oh sorry I didn’t know at first. Do what you please Alex
 
Replace the word “embryo” in that sentence with “homeless person.”

Embryos are just human beings in a different phase of development.
 
Explain what a fetus is and why they should granted personhood.

I don’t seem to understand why this is the issue that Catholics are the most passionate about though.9
 
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Jump4Joy said:
Explain what a fetus is and why they should granted personhood.

I don’t seem to understand why this is the issue that Catholics are the most passionate about though.
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You brought up a fetus’ brain activity and heartbeat. The heart first beats at 3 weeks and, as I stated, brain activity has been demonstrated between 5 and 6 weeks. Please explain again why the fetus shouldn’t be thought of as a person.

As for Catholics care about the issue, Catholics care about life. All life. From womb to tomb, as they say.
 
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How does this relate to abortion?
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Because pro-lifers are asserting an objective claim, not a relative one.

Relative claims are most often preference claims, like whether you prefer cats or dogs, or whether you like Chinese or Italian food better.

No civil society makes committing a human rights violation, abortion in this case, into a mere preference.
 
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You can’t compare an embryo to a five year old.
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In this regard, they are. The argument basically goes:
  1. An unborn child is a human. (This is Catholic doctrine, as per CCC 2323 and others.)
  2. Killing people is a grave evil.
  3. Therefore, abortion is a grave evil.
Within this line of logic, you simply replace the first premise with a five year old. Alternatively, you can replace it with black people, gay people, women, the elderly, or any other group. And in times past, we have. It’s just that our thirst for blood has moved from people of a different race, religion, political identity, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation to how old they are. Now we might have more emotional attachment to a five year old than a fetus, but that doesn’t negate the moral worth either person has.

Unfortunately, the general approach to life in American politics is an absolute mess, with both sides openly embracing various policies that are abhorrent in this regard. However, I think what turns a lot of Catholics off of abortion in particular is that, along with killing an image-bearer of God (which all killing is) and going after the family (which is rare but not unheard of in other killings), it’s targeting the most vulnerable of humans. We, as Catholics, should be a voice for the vulnerable, and abortion is the one “right to life” issue that very directly affects the absolutely most vulnerable.

Basically, it’s a life issue, family issue, and vulnerability issue all rolled into one and their most intense. We absolutely should defend all life, but there’s something uniquely evil about abortion that turns a lot of people off.
 
Ultimately I think the person carrying the embryo should have the right to decide whether she wants to fulfill her pregnancy or not. It seems the weird to have the government or state force someone to continue their pregnancy. That’s a private issue.
I am cynical on Catholics love for all lives on here. I’ve visited other threads, I don’t seem to believe that. Abortion seems to be the issue of life Catholics care about the most. I wonder why.
 
Why do you think abortion is a human rights violation
 
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I still don’t understand the moral equivalency between having a first trimester abortion to the killing of a five year old.
 
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