Why do people on CAF seem to think liberals are evil?

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Don’t you think that abortion is a source of more deaths than gun control and illegal immigration and whatever else? I don’t much about them to make a good judgment so maybe it is more serious than I perceive. I think fundamental means core, so I guess that being able to have a right to live is more important.
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The Church does not value lives differently. It does not determine the moral severity of an issue based on the number of lives taken.
 
Well what do you think is more important?
 
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Illegal immigration and gun control are more complicated too and are more politically driven. I don’t really know what the Church says on the matter.
 
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If you’re American, you can visit the USCCB’s web site and read its statements on those issues.
 
Not really. Some people claim police brutality doesn’t exist or that their victims aren’t really victims and their treatment is deserved. As for gun violence, I don’t think it generates as much sympathy.
 
Maybe to you people are not longer discriminated based on race and gender. I guess you should wonder why others feel differently. Are there narratives not worth listening? Perhaps you should wonder why people have the belief they still face discrimination in this country by their employers, schools, etc.

America is not a perfect world. I do agree people should work hard and not in all cases race or gender is the determining factor. I wouldn’t go as far as suggesting these incidents no longer exist. People are no longer prejudiced or biased anymore.

There is still class discrimination. There is a big difference in the funding of public and private schools.

The school system I think needs to change honestly. I do agree people in the ghetto have different priorities and values.

I took enough education classes to believe there is an education gap between races and school systems vary according to area. There are very intelligent and hard-working people in the ghetto but their education cannot be compared in value to those in upper income areas. College will be much more difficult for them. The circumstances and families they live make them disadvantaged from the start. This isn’t to say they shouldn’t work hard, but we shouldn’t expect them to succeed as easily as people who born in more ideal circumstances.
 
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I guess you seem to be one of the few people who seem to at least understand somewhat what I’m getting at. There’s an attitude of blaming the poor for their circumstances, victims of police brutality, justifying the separation of families, denying racism or sexism exists or minimizing those issues but all of the sudden people act so caring to an embryo. I don’t understand it. I expected more compassion for the living. These people seem to be only prolife and profamily when it means being against gay marriage or protesting against abortion. Why does such a private, personal issue generate so much outcry but public issues don’t?

As for gun violence, I’m learning to consider what I believe in. I’m not sure what the right answer is.

Sometimes adamantly people defend their right to bear arms after a gun violence issue comes across callous and insensitive as if owning a gun is more important than what just happened
 
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Jump4Joy said:
Sometimes adamantly people defend their right to bear arms after a gun violence issue comes across callous and insensitive as if owning a gun is more important than what just happened
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This always upsets me. I hate that I have to use the world always because both school shootings and people I know reacting without compassion are becoming so frequent. I was very upset to see grown adults criticizing students for protesting. The young people are terrified. Love them and lift them up.
 
Police brutality = already illegal (or at least, is against PD rules)
Gun violence = already illegal
Human trafficking= already illegal
School shootings =already illegal
Gang violence = already illegal
Racism = already illegal

Abortion = legal

See why people argue and fight against abortion? It is considered to be a “non-negotiable” by the Church that is legal in the U.S. For the most part all the other social ills are already illegal.
 
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Jump4Joy said:
Maybe to you people are not longer discriminated based on race and gender. I guess you should wonder why others feel differently. Are there narratives not worth listening? Perhaps you should wonder why people have the belief they still face discrimination in this country by their employers, schools, etc.
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I should have been more clear. There is still racism, but not the way we think. Some individuals truly can be racist in the correct definition of racism, demeaning someone based on their race. But I think it’s much rarer than people think. I constantly see on my Facebook feed, 100% biased stories making someone out to be a racist who’s not. It’s a witch hunt now. I think if we all actually LISTENED to each other instead of screaming “racist!” things could be a lot better.

I can agree with you, that those who aren’t given a very good education may find it harder to succeed in college. There’s only one thing a person can do from there: make good out of the situation. Some people are very unfortunate, yes even those who are white and poor or black and poor or asian and poor, etc. Parents should be encouraging their children to study hard, get good grades, and attend college. Doesn’t have to be Ivy League. Community college works great too and saves money. Working towards careers that are not too far out of reach, that they feel a passion for and feel they can do and be happy with. Level of education typically doesn’t predict success, IQ does. If a person has the smarts AND the encouragement/motivation, they’ll go far. If the don’t, they’ll be more than happy sticking to an easier job because they’ll be more capable and less stressed.
 
I agree racist is thrown around way too easily and frequently these days. I think we need to have a clear definition of what it is and what it is not. I think ignorance and prejudice are the real problems. Along with stereotypes. I don’t think I’ve met very many people I’d call racist, ignorant yes, prejudice yes, and people still have racial biases.
 
If you think abortions should be illegal, what should be the “punishment” for those who receive and those who perform an abortion?
 
I don’t think that liberals are evil. However, some of the things that they support are evil such as abortion and “gay marriage”. I actually agree with some things they support such as abolishing the death penalty and immigration reform. Not all liberals are for abolishing the death penalty though. I’m not sure if all of them are for immigration reform or not.
 
I’m really not into victim-blaming, and it seems to be an unfortunate trait of the extremist Right. I can’t wrap my head around claiming so much compassion for the unborn and their mothers yet denouncing every other oppressed population as having brought it on themselves.

That said, I can’t get over liberals claiming so much compassion for immigrants, refugees, LGBTQ people, the homeless, etc. But when a woman faces an unplanned pregnancy, they defend sticking her on an exam table while her offspring gets sucked out of her instead of helping her overcome the obstacles - both individual and systemic- between her and having her baby.
 
I guess I shouldn’t generalize. I think it’s odd people are prolife but are for the death penalty. My criticism is because the right aligns themselves with God and representing his values. It’s a heavy claim to represent Christian values.
 
That’s my issue. The first paragraph summaries what I’m trying to say.

I don’t think abortions are holy. It’s a difficult issue nonetheless for me to completely oppose
 
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