Why do Protestant hate Mary?

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BrianH said:
It has been said that one should not judge Catholicism based upon those who do not follow its teachings. In this case, the rantings of someone who does not believe what his own church teaches will be ignored. I’m out.
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Are you proclaiming what I don’t practice what the Church teaches? I did say I am condemning the doctrine of Protestantism not individuals as in persons.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Are you proclaiming what I don’t practice I the Church teaches? I did say I am condemning the doctrine of Protestantism not individuals as in persons.
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Does the Catholic Church teach that Protestants hate Mary? If it does, well you would be accurate in your statements.
If the Catholic Church does not teach that, you are out on a limb young man.
The Lord be with you.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Are you proclaiming what I don’t practice what the Church teaches? I did say I am condemning the doctrine of Protestantism not individuals as in persons.
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I am going to have to disagree with ya there based on your original post…
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Mannyfit75:
I don’t mean to put this in the wrong context but it seem to me that most Protestants who like to distant themselves to Mary, hate Mary.

I could just imagine how Jesus feels when they insult his mother on their judgement day.

If you are one of those Protestants do hate or distant themselves to Mary, I would re-think your position and think how Jesus would feel if they dishonor His Mother, who gave him a flesh, bone, and blood.
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Nowhere in those statements do you address protestantism as an idea or our doctrines. You state that individuals or even protestants as a whole hate Mary because of their distancing from her as you put it. You seem to want to be backpeddling to a more charitable view but your original post points out your true thoughts. *shrug
 
Fredricks said:
Does the Catholic Church teach that Protestants hate Mary? If it does, well you would be accurate in your statements.
If the Catholic Church does not teach that, you are out on a limb young man.
The Lord be with you.
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The doctrine of Protestantism is condemned by the Catholic Church according to the Council of Trent.

The Catholic Church does not teach Protestant hate Mary. There is no document.

There some Protestants who appear to show some hatred by ignoring her.
 
Singinbeauty said:
I am going to have to disagree with ya there based on your original post…

Nowhere in those statements do you address protestantism as an idea or our doctrines. You state that individuals or even protestants as a whole hate Mary because of their distancing from her as you put it. You seem to want to be backpeddling to a more charitable view but your original post points out your true thoughts. *shrug
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Yes they were my thoughts, my opinions. I had to retract to make my remark clear as stated in the later posts.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
It’s your interpretation.

The Mary was preserved from sin because she was to become the Mother of God, Jesus. I don’t think Jesus would have a sinful woman to be his mother.
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And that is your interpretation 😃 - it doesn’t follow from our ideas on the matter that she was not a sinner; there would be a certain “fittingness” if she had been. If He can have sinful women in His family tree (see Matt 1.1-17), why can He not be born of one ?​

Analogy is no substitute for ascertained fact, whatever one believes.

And there is this - if she has to be sinless because she is so close to Jesus: why stop with her ? Why not say that Joseph, John the Baptist, Zechariah, Elizabeth, Simeon, Anna, Peter, James, John - why not say Herod, Pilate, Annas & Caiaphas - must also have been sinless ? How far does one go; & why ?

I’ve never seen this asked, so there it is 🙂
Since Mary is the type of Ark of the Covenant.
There is a distinct parallel between OT Ark and NT.
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Jesus is the true Antitype of the ark, because He is the One in Whom “the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily”.​

  • the cherubim were set over the mercy-seat, the kapporeth - in Jesus, we find mercy
  • they attend the ark - He is often ministered to by them in the NT
  • it was carried by priests - He is Priest & Ark
  • And so on…
The Ark of the Old Testament
Mary - The New Testament
Ark of the New Covenant

The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex 25:10) The Word became Flesh (John 1)
The Ark carried the Word of God (Deut 10:1) The Ark carried the Old Covenant. Mary carried the Word of God (Lk 2:38) Mary carried the New Covenant
David says “Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?” (2 Sam 6:9)
Elizabeth says “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me” (Lk 1:43)
(Mary, was pregnant with Jesus)

When the Ark returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam 6:14) The baby leaped for joy in Elizabeth’s womb when Mary came into Elizabeth’s presence carrying Jesus in her womb. (Lk 2 38)
There I have set the ark in which is the covenant of the Lord that he made with his people Israel (2Ch 6:11) Jesus is the new Covenant and he is in Mary’s womb, which makes Mary the ark of the New Covenant. Elizabeth’s husband Zachariah said "He has remembered his holy covenant (Lk 1:72) …The cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood (Lk 22:20)
Joshua summoned the twelve men from the Israelite, whom he had appointed, one from each tribe. Joshua said to them “Pass on before the ark of the Lord your God.” (Josh 4:4) There were 12 stones like the 12 stars in Rev… The ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; … 12 :1 A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman …and on her head a crown of twelve stars. (Rev 11:19) representing the tribes of Israel.
In Joshua Chapter 6, the Israelites circle Jerico with the Ark of the Covenant and blowing horns for seven days before their victory. In Revelation Chapter 8-11 before the introduction the Ark of the covenant (Chapter 12) the angels blow seven trumpets to herold the victory over Satan.
The Ark of the Lord is a blessing to the house (2 Sam 6:11) Mary goes into the hills and blesses Elizabeth’s house (Lk 2 38)
The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13) Mary is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Mat 2:14)
The Ark disappears (Jer 3:16) never to return until the New Testament
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It never returns - not as the Ark. Those passages, though significant, tell us 0 about Revelation 12 itself. Mary does not fit into it; if she did, every detail about the “woman” would fit her too. Only a few fit her.​

Revelation story The Ark reappears as a lady who bears a son who is seated at the right hand of God . Her children are Christians. (Rev 11:19)
It will not be like the covenant that I made…that they broke though I was their husband (Jer 31:31) The Holy spirit shall overshadow you; therefore the son to be born to you …will be called the Son of God (Lk 1:35) (The Holy Spirit was Mary’s spouse)

davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_in_the_bible.htm
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The New Covenant is never said to be made by the Holy Spirit. It is several times said to be made by Jesus. Besides, the BVM had a husband - Joseph. That’s what the Gospel says - to make the Spirit of God her husband is post-Biblical, anti-Biblical, & makes her (to be blunt :() an adultress. :eek: As well turning the Gospel into a Mormon myth about gods “getting laid” with mortal women :mad: 😦​

 
Mannyfit75 said:
Yes they were my thoughts, my opinions. I had to retract to make my remark clear as stated in the later posts.
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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But beware and be careful about thinking that you know someone’s heart when it comes to their devotion to God. The damage is done and I don’t see that your ‘retracting’ has overturned the offense of your original post. Even your fellow catholic brothers and sisters have disagreed with you and I think now you are trying backpeddle because your view has been so very badly received. shrug I could be wrong. But don’t back down from what you really think. IF you think that we hate Mary then go with that… Just be open to listen when we say we don’t just as you expect protestants to listen when they say that catholics worship her.
 
If you all claim you have no problem with the Virgin Mary, then please prove that you have no problem with us, Catholic, coming to Virgin Mary for helping us be closer to God.

Could you prove that?
 
Singinbeauty said:
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But beware and be careful about thinking that you know someone’s heart when it comes to their devotion to God. The damage is done and I don’t see that your ‘retracting’ has overturned the offense of your original post. Even your fellow catholic brothers and sisters have disagreed with you and I think now you are trying backpeddle because your view has been so very badly received. shrug I could be wrong. But don’t back down from what you really think. IF you think that we hate Mary then go with that… Just be open to listen when we say we don’t just as you expect protestants to listen when they say that catholics worship her.
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Only word of advise. “Pray that they all maybe One.”
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

And that is your interpretation 😃 - it doesn’t follow from our ideas on the matter that she was not a sinner; there would be a certain “fittingness” if she had been. If He can have sinful women in His family tree (see Matt 1.1-17), why can He not be born of one ?​

Analogy is no substitute for ascertained fact, whatever one believes.

And there is this - if she has to be sinless because she is so close to Jesus: why stop with her ? Why not say that Joseph, John the Baptist, Zechariah, Elizabeth, Simeon, Anna, Peter, James, John - why not say Herod, Pilate, Annas & Caiaphas - must also have been sinless ? How far does one go; & why ?

I’ve never seen this asked, so there it is 🙂

Jesus is the true Antitype of the ark, because He is the One in Whom “the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily”.​

  • the cherubim were set over the mercy-seat, the kapporeth - in Jesus, we find mercy
  • they attend the ark - He is often ministered to by them in the NT
  • it was carried by priests - He is Priest & Ark
  • And so on…

It never returns - not as the Ark. Those passages, though significant, tell us 0 about Revelation 12 itself. Mary does not fit into it; if she did, every detail about the “woman” would fit her too. Only a few fit her. ## ## The New Covenant is never said to be made by the Holy Spirit. It is several times said to be made by Jesus. Besides, the BVM had a husband - Joseph. That’s what the Gospel says - to make the Spirit of God her husband is post-Biblical, anti-Biblical, & makes her (to be blunt :() an adultress. :eek: As well turning the Gospel into a Mormon myth about gods “getting laid” with mortal women :mad: 😦​

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That is why the Protestant intepretation is wrong and the Catholic interpretation on the woman clothed with the sun is correct.

We don’t think God had sex with Mary. That’s Mormonism.

Catholic faith is summed in the Nicene Creed.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Only word of advise. “Pray that they all maybe One.”
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I am not sure where you are going with this but if you look at my signature and other posts that I have written I have been very vocal about my want, desire, and need for all christians to unite rather than to divide. In fact my responses to you have not contradicted this view point… So why this was your response I am not sure… :confused:
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Only word of advise. “Pray that they all maybe One.”
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I don’t believe that it was being suggested that the truth of Mary doesn’t matter, merely that we cannot know what is in the hearts of Protestants who disagree with that truth.
 
Singinbeauty said:
I am not sure where you are going with this but if you look at my signature and other posts that I have written I have been very vocal about my want, desire, and need for all christians to unite rather than to divide. In fact my responses to you have not contradicted this view point… So why this was your response I am not sure… :confused:
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The division amongst Christians is the only think that divide us. Most Protestants who convert to Catholics have difficulty with Marian doctrines. This is just one of the doctrine hard to comprehend, only through prayer can they understand it.

I think Mary unites all Christians. She should not be the cause of division amongst Christians. Mary brought forth the Messiah into this world.
 
water said:
On one part, I am agreed with you that this can be offensive to many.

On the other part, I have to say how offended God and Virgin Mary feel when many many people downgrade the role of Virgin Mary - the one and only Woman who God chose to be His Mother".

How offensive can this get?
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Why should she be offended ? Isn’t love of God more important to her than our notions ? She can’t be very holy or heavenly-minded if she is so easily bothered as that. Or is her reputation so important to her, that concern for it overshadows her love for God ? That would make her far less holy, far less mortified, far less dead to self, far more full of ego, than any of the saints - I refuse to believe she is like that.​

No one is “downgrading” her - the Gospel is about Jesus Christ, not Mary; that is the simple fact of the matter. To say that she is not its central figure is no insult at all - she isn’t. Jesus Christ is - as is shown by the 700+ times He is mentioned, which is an indication that He is important to it 🙂

All of us are unique - not just Mary; each one of us has a purpose that we alone can fill, just as she had. She had her vocation, we have ours. as Cardinal Newman points out. ##
 
Mannyfit75 said:
The division amongst Christians is the only think that divide us.
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Obviously
Mannyfit75 said:
Most Protestants who convert to Catholics have difficulty with Marian doctrines. This is just one of the doctrine hard to comprehend, only through prayer can they understand it.
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I can see this… It’s a hard thing to swallow but with enough prayer and the guidence of God through the Holy Spirit anything that is hard to swallow can come to light and become one of your dearest and greatest beliefs.
Mannyfit75 said:
I think Mary unites all Christians. She should not be the cause of division amongst Christians. She after all gave birth to Jesus.
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But see SHE is not the reason for division. It’s us low down dirty humans who can’t seem to stop bickering that cause the division. But of course that is my opinion…
 
Singinbeauty said:
Obviously

I can see this… It’s a hard thing to swallow but with enough prayer and the guidence of God through the Holy Spirit anything that is hard to swallow can come to light and become one of your dearest and greatest beliefs.

But see SHE is not the reason for division. It’s us low down dirty humans who can’t seem to stop bickering that cause the division. But of course that is my opinion…
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Singinbeauty,

If you missed the other post I wrote, "I am sorry if I indeed offend you. I say this not to you, but to all. I posted the thread because its does seem the objection seem to imply to ME to be some form of hatred of Mary hence forth the thread title.

I must go to bed now…
 
Singinbeauty said:
But see SHE is not the reason for division. It’s us low down dirty humans who can’t seem to stop bickering that cause the division. But of course that is my opinion…
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thus, it is important to sit down and think what had started the division. How did it happen? Why did it happen? Is there any good coming out from the division? Does it please God? How could we do now to unite us?..etc… If we can think that more and more then the unity is possible.

btw, nice singing - I checked out your songs. 🙂 Maybe you should include the lyrics for visitors to read. 👍
 
Mannyfit75 said:
That is why the Protestant intepretation is wrong and the Catholic interpretation on the woman clothed with the sun is correct.
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What shows “the Protestant intepretation is wrong” ? It is not the interpretation of most Catholics since Trent - there is nothing particularly Protestant about it.​

We don’t think God had sex with Mary. That’s Mormonism.
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Certainly it is Mormonism - but​

  • if she has two husbands,
  • and one of them is God,
  • & the result of that Husband & Mary is a child: then
  • the Catholic epithet “bride of the Holy Spirit” logically leads to the conclusion that she and God “got laid”.
    Ideas have results - if we dislike the results, we have to revise the ideas. ##
Catholic faith is summed in the Nicene Creed.
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I know - so don’t let’s embroider it with needless add-ons about Mary’s being the bride of the Holy Spirit; to do that only creates needless difficulties 😦​

 
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