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Antagonistic posters here do not realize that they are doing “someone’s” work but it’s not the work of Jesus.
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Church_Militant
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All the more reason for 1st Peter 3:14 But if also you suffer any thing for justice’ sake, blessed are ye. And be not afraid of their fear, and be not troubled. 15 But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you.
16 But with modesty and fear, having a good conscience: that whereas they speak evil of you, they may be ashamed who falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better doing well (if such be the will of God) to suffer, than doing ill.
I wonder… does this OP question apply to us “re-verts”?
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Eden
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And from the “Sermon on the Mount”:
“Blessed are you when men abuse you and persecute you and speak all kinds of calumny against you on my account, rejoice and be glad for your reward will be great in heaven. This is how they persecuted the prophets before you.”
“Blessed are you when men abuse you and persecute you and speak all kinds of calumny against you on my account, rejoice and be glad for your reward will be great in heaven. This is how they persecuted the prophets before you.”
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sadie2723
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Church Militant:
I agree. There is no reason to go there. The problem is that these folks are taught to fight. They are sent out to beat peole into submission trough whatever means are necessary, in some cases even through deception. This goes a heck of a lot deaper than just being mean, but being mean is a part of it. The thing that troubles me the most is that the people in question are not only being mean, they are not telling the truth…perhaps because they do not know it, but it is deception none the less.
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jim1130
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Ahh, the truth of Julia1/NiceFundamental’s posts surface like the badly decomposed body of a drowning victim: She is baiting Catholics to a non-Catholic site for her own personal agenda and forum gain, and maybe to add credibility to what is obviously a boorish non-Catholic site. It also explains why her responses to any legitimate question (even after she deliberately solicited questions) are nothing more then sound-bytes; one-sentence snitty (word she used once to define her own attitude) and smart-aleck answers that exhibit the abysmal depth of her own reasoning and shallowness of self. In other words, her motives and reasons for being on this board are purely selfish, narcissistic, vain, self-absorbed, pompous and pious. I suppose she has seen how much “fun” non-Catholic sites become when Catholics visit that she wants to recruit some Catholics to liven up her non-Catholic forum of ignorance. From the sanctimonious, self-indulgent, and immature attitude she has consistently demonstrated on CA, I am certain that her non-Catholic forum page is equally ignorant, valueless, childish, and altogether rubbish. True, she needs prayers more than condemnation, but she also needs a does of reality and the truth, of which she apparently hides from both. How sad a person’s life must be that to elevate a sense of worth fights must be picked with the perspective that any wins translates to self-righteousness and any loss contributes to martyrdom. You truly need our prayers. Peace.Alfie, if you are interested, I am a Moderator at this excellent board that defends against the lies of the Catholic Church…here is the address: (Removed as per CAF policy on Board Swarms )
For all you Catholics here, if you believe that your Church is the OTC and you ‘know’ Truth, I dare you to come to our board and defend your ‘Truth’…
After all, since your Church is THE TRUTH, it should stand up to any and all scructany, am I right? We’d be delighted to see you all there!
So come on over and ‘enlighten’ us ‘cursed’ Heretics…
I double dare you!
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sadie2723
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That was wonderful! Could not have said it better!
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ScottH
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One of the things that struck me when I was a protestant was that when I really thought about it, it was odd how protestant denominations respected each other to a much greater degree than they do the Roman Catholic faith.
This despite the fact that they hold so many of their own in-house practices near and dear, yet they all differ so on some KEY theology.
And yet its taboo for most of the protestants to attack another protestant denomination. They may “quietly disagree” with one another, but the anger and rage they direct at one place…
…right at the Roman Catholic Church.
When I was protestant, I saw that- and talked to other fellow protestants about it. They just said “Well, we’re sure the Roman Catholic Church is the worst.”
Old grudges die hard. And they are taught from generation to generation.
This despite the fact that they hold so many of their own in-house practices near and dear, yet they all differ so on some KEY theology.
And yet its taboo for most of the protestants to attack another protestant denomination. They may “quietly disagree” with one another, but the anger and rage they direct at one place…
…right at the Roman Catholic Church.
When I was protestant, I saw that- and talked to other fellow protestants about it. They just said “Well, we’re sure the Roman Catholic Church is the worst.”
Old grudges die hard. And they are taught from generation to generation.
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jim1130
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Peace.
I regularly visited a non-Catholic site for a few months, but gave it up for Lent and am glad I did. I do not plan to go back. Some people on that forum are truly intellectual in their approach and I was in over my head with them (not necessarily Biblically intellectual, but knowledgeable of the writings and theologies of the Reformers, such as Calvin and Luther, of whom I am unfamiliar). Their ability to rationalize is stronger than my ability to dismantle it. Others are so anti-Catholic that their role is strictly 100 percent contrarian (If a Catholic says the sun rises in the east, the non-Catholic would argue that the sun rises in the west because, actually, Europe is see as “the west” and the US is seen “as the west” therefore the sun rises “in the west” and sets in the east because Japan, China, and the orient are considered “the east”). In both cases, you can only repeat so many times the Real Presence, Reconciliation, and “we don’t worship Mary” before you realize you are trying to plant seeds on stony grounds. For me, this site is an oasis among the anti-Catholic and non-Catholic rhetoric that permeates society.
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sadie2723
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Woops. Right there is where you got yourself in trouble. You started to THINK ABOUT IT. Now I know some fundamentalist that will tell you that when you start to THINK too much, the Devil will take over and do your thinking for you…oooooooohhh scary. They would be the first to say that this is what leads people back to the Catholic Church. Must be the work of the Prince of Darkness.
Personally, I think that is a load of bunk. Bottom line is that when you start to think, you begin to look for truth, and when you look hard enough for truth…you find it. But, and here is the rub, you only find it in one place…Rome.
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magdelaine
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And it started with Martin Luther. I am surprised that some of his commentary on the Church was so mean-spirited, virulent, and steeped in childish name-calling. His legacy lives on.
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sadie2723
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Do me a favor. Send me a PM and let me know what boards you were on. I just want to see if they are the same ones that I once went to. Thanks.
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ScottH
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Logically speaking, if the indulgences are no longer an issue, its particularly puzzling to wonder why, at the very least, the Lutherans have not returned back to the Roman Catholic Church.
I’m sure it would be hard for the married Lutheran priests and the female ones, because their livelihood would be effected too much for their own comfort. But the thing that I don’t get is how their congregations don’t come back to Roman Catholicism. I’m friends with two Lutheran deacons, both of whom are great guys- but they may as well be Roman Catholics.
Yet they heard about me becoming Roman Catholic, and both of them called me and we talked. They said that they just couldn’t do it because of the indulgences. I said to them “even if the Roman Catholic Church publicly came out and formally apologized to the Lutherans in 2006, would you become Roman Catholic?” They both said “No”, yet could not explain why.
That’s surprising, because- here I am, a Presbyterian of 30 years- so there were much bigger mentally programmed “walls” for me to have to deal with in becoming Roman Catholic, yet my two friends who are “closest” to us in terms of theology, tradition, liturgy, etc. would never do it. Yet they complain about the liberal turn that many Lutheran churches are taking.
Sometimes I guess our parents just do a bang-up job of “programming” us about church from a young age.
I know mine sure did.
I’m sure it would be hard for the married Lutheran priests and the female ones, because their livelihood would be effected too much for their own comfort. But the thing that I don’t get is how their congregations don’t come back to Roman Catholicism. I’m friends with two Lutheran deacons, both of whom are great guys- but they may as well be Roman Catholics.
Yet they heard about me becoming Roman Catholic, and both of them called me and we talked. They said that they just couldn’t do it because of the indulgences. I said to them “even if the Roman Catholic Church publicly came out and formally apologized to the Lutherans in 2006, would you become Roman Catholic?” They both said “No”, yet could not explain why.
That’s surprising, because- here I am, a Presbyterian of 30 years- so there were much bigger mentally programmed “walls” for me to have to deal with in becoming Roman Catholic, yet my two friends who are “closest” to us in terms of theology, tradition, liturgy, etc. would never do it. Yet they complain about the liberal turn that many Lutheran churches are taking.
Sometimes I guess our parents just do a bang-up job of “programming” us about church from a young age.
I know mine sure did.
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jim1130
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Some people are too comfortable to change? I would agree. I think that if I was not a cradle Catholic I would lack the courage to convert. I am vulnerable and susceptible to the oration of others, particularly if I am not confident in my own knowledge and insecure in my beliefs (in a way, I follow the melody rather than the piper himself).
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Mickey
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The melody (Catholic Church) is the sound of truth revealed by the piper (Jesus Christ)!
I just made that up!
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sadie2723
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I like it!The melody (Catholic Church) is the sound of truth revealed by the piper (Jesus Christ)!
I just made that up!
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jim1130
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I like your usage better and will apply it accordingly! Thanks! (your wiseness knows no boundsThe melody (Catholic Church) is the sound of truth revealed by the piper (Jesus Christ)!
I just made that up!
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Many Lutherans still adhere to the five solas (sola fide, sola gratia, sola scriptura, sola Christi, soli Deo gloria). While two aren’t stumbling blocks (sola Christi and soli Deo gloria), the other three. The Church officially condemns sola fide (faith alone) and sola scriptura (Scripture alone) and the Lutheran understanding of sola gratia (grace alone) is lacking.
It took me a long time to overcome the doctrinal divide between Lutheranism/Protestantism and Catholicism. Of course, the biggest stumbling block for me was Mary. Once I understood what her role really is, I found it easy to love her, accept her as my spiritual mother and ask for her prayers.
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Mickey
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I have had similar experiences and often wonder the same thing.
Peace and blessings to you,
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sadie2723
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The reason that they do not return is that to do so, they would need to admit that they had been wrong. That is a lot to ask of an entire people. And, when you consider that they would also have to admit that they had instructed people for 500 years in the wrong things, it becomes and even bigger issue.
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Cathy
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LOL. By God’s grace, you and your wife will be his sponsors when he converts
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