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Rebecca_New
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Thank you for a very personal and touching testimony-I will hold your post dear to my heart.
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montanaman
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Amen, brother. Amen indeed.And we serve beer at our parish picnics (to be consumed in moderation AND responsibly)!!!
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magdelaine
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Darlin’, please read Surprised by Truth or Rome Sweet Home or Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic and then (warning: shocking suggestion next!) decide for yourself?
God bless!
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Julia1
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Darlin’, please read Surprised by Truth or Rome Sweet Home or Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic and then (warning: shocking suggestion next!) decide for yourself?
Well Sugar, I sure do appreciate the suggestions!
and (warning: shocking statement next) I already have and they’re biased, but thanks anyway, Hon!
Well Sugar, I sure do appreciate the suggestions!
and (warning: shocking statement next) I already have and they’re biased, but thanks anyway, Hon!
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magdelaine
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I don’t believe you. There is no way you could read Scott Hahn’s account of the horror and dread he felt over the growing realization that the Catholic Church is the Church of the Bible and doctrinal gymnastics he went through to prove it wrong and call him “biased”.Darlin’, please read Surprised by Truth or Rome Sweet Home or Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic and then (warning: shocking suggestion next!) decide for yourself?
Well Sugar, I sure do appreciate the suggestions!
and (warning: shocking statement next) I already have and they’re biased, but thanks anyway, Hon!
But more to the point; what was a Protestant doctrine that he explored that you felt he didn’t understand? Or that any of them didn’t understand?
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Julia1
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Actually I really don’t care.
What makes you think Scott Hahn was ever ‘Saved’?
You know, that Prot church he came out of was and is Apostate to the core. Been that way a lonnnnnng time now. :yup:
What makes you think Scott Hahn was ever ‘Saved’?
You know, that Prot church he came out of was and is Apostate to the core. Been that way a lonnnnnng time now. :yup:
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magdelaine
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Then if you don’t really want to have a debate, discuss the issues, or perhaps even, with an open mind, consider why on Earth someone that has been “saved” would turn to the Church with their whole mind, body, soul, and heart, why bother posting on this forum?
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djrakowski
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Really? If there is no infallible interpreter of Scripture, who’s to say when a church has apostasized? Or is this just in your own judgment, and if so, which ones have not apostasized, and what standard did you apply in reaching that conclusion?
And why are you investing time in something about which you “really don’t care?”
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Julia1
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Such love on this thread! 
I gotta get back to work so you all carry on without me…be nice behind my back, y’all!
You’ll can ‘debate’ without me.
I gotta get back to work so you all carry on without me…be nice behind my back, y’all!
You’ll can ‘debate’ without me.
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djrakowski
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Interesting that you would construe direct questions about Protestant beliefs in this manner.Such love on this thread!
I gotta get back to work so you all carry on without me…be nice behind my back, y’all!
You’ll can ‘debate’ without me.
Love,
Dan
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sadie2723
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Problem is that you are just wrong. The Protestants who have left, especially Protestant ministers, are never accussed of not understanding Protestant theology. The Protestant ministers, men who were minsters for years, have never been accussed that they don’t understand the beliefs of Protestants.
Yet those who leave the Catholic Church either do so from moral ground disagreement, (I don’t think birth control is wrong), or they just completely butcher and misunderstand the theology.
How about tell us *which *branch of Protestants you wish to show that those who left misunderstood? I am fairly positive we have converts from almost every branch of Protestants. And then tell you what Catholics believe from the Catechism, supported from Early Church Fathers AND Scripture.
But we can’t just give out a “Protestant” belief since there is no such thing. There are Baptist, Evangelical, Lutheran, Missouri Synod Lutheran, Episcopalian, and many subdivisions of belief within each branch.
Respectfully, your theory just does not hold up to the actual history.
God Bless,
Maria
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Actually, most of the people that I know who have left the church have done so for only one reason…it is too hard. They can’t live with the teaching on things like divorce and birth control, so they pull a Henry the 8th, they go down the street to where everything is allowed. In their mind, they still get to be Christian but do whatever they want…WHAT A DEAL!
Yet those who leave the Catholic Church either do so from moral ground disagreement, (I don’t think birth control is wrong), or they just completely butcher and misunderstand the theology.
How about tell us *which *branch of Protestants you wish to show that those who left misunderstood? I am fairly positive we have converts from almost every branch of Protestants. And then tell you what Catholics believe from the Catechism, supported from Early Church Fathers AND Scripture.
But we can’t just give out a “Protestant” belief since there is no such thing. There are Baptist, Evangelical, Lutheran, Missouri Synod Lutheran, Episcopalian, and many subdivisions of belief within each branch.
Respectfully, your theory just does not hold up to the actual history.
God Bless,
Maria
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Actually, most of the people that I know who have left the church have done so for only one reason…it is too hard. They can’t live with the teaching on things like divorce and birth control, so they pull a Henry the 8th, they go down the street to where everything is allowed. In their mind, they still get to be Christian but do whatever they want…WHAT A DEAL!
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Ted_CharlotteNC
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I am former Southern Baptist Adult Sunday School Teacher, converting in RCIA.
I was watching cable one night and I saw Fr Groschel talking. I don’t remember the topic, but I will never forget the love he had in his voice. He was talking about having mass for body parts after 911. I said to myself, this is a holy/sacred man, I want to know more. So I started looking at RC.
If you go to a typical SB church, on a Sunday morning “saving session” you might get 3 or 4 verses of scripture, hand picked by the minister for the occasion, in or out of “season”, as to what was “laid on his heart by God”. You will get 25-35 minutes of sermon, followed all by a chance for the “lost” to come down and “get saved”.
Here is some differences in SB
There is no liturgy per se.
The minister is hired and fired and answers to a commitee. His education and training requirements as required by commitee.
The “Lord’s Supper” might be presented quarterly.
There is no general asking for mercy.
The preaching of the word, and singing of hymns make up the balance.
There is no “kneeling”.
We typically didn’t even stand for the reading of the Word of God, and there is no special treatment of the gospels.
Also, if you are a “baptized believer” from another church coming into faith, you would be presented in front of the church for a general admitance vote.
As all you cradle Catholics know the order of the Mass better, these are the major differences I can think of.
Let me close with this:
I walk into a Catholic Church and I know I am in a Holy Place.
I have great comfort in knowing that the daily readings are set out well in advance, not influenced by an event outside the Church.
I know I can walk into a Catholic Church a dreadfully sinful man and walk out (after confession and the Eucahrist) forgiven and clean.
That’s why I am Catholic, because it is The Way.
God bless you all.
I was watching cable one night and I saw Fr Groschel talking. I don’t remember the topic, but I will never forget the love he had in his voice. He was talking about having mass for body parts after 911. I said to myself, this is a holy/sacred man, I want to know more. So I started looking at RC.
If you go to a typical SB church, on a Sunday morning “saving session” you might get 3 or 4 verses of scripture, hand picked by the minister for the occasion, in or out of “season”, as to what was “laid on his heart by God”. You will get 25-35 minutes of sermon, followed all by a chance for the “lost” to come down and “get saved”.
Here is some differences in SB
There is no liturgy per se.
The minister is hired and fired and answers to a commitee. His education and training requirements as required by commitee.
The “Lord’s Supper” might be presented quarterly.
There is no general asking for mercy.
The preaching of the word, and singing of hymns make up the balance.
There is no “kneeling”.
We typically didn’t even stand for the reading of the Word of God, and there is no special treatment of the gospels.
Also, if you are a “baptized believer” from another church coming into faith, you would be presented in front of the church for a general admitance vote.
As all you cradle Catholics know the order of the Mass better, these are the major differences I can think of.
Let me close with this:
I walk into a Catholic Church and I know I am in a Holy Place.
I have great comfort in knowing that the daily readings are set out well in advance, not influenced by an event outside the Church.
I know I can walk into a Catholic Church a dreadfully sinful man and walk out (after confession and the Eucahrist) forgiven and clean.
That’s why I am Catholic, because it is The Way.
God bless you all.
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jimmy
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Joe Gloor:
Joe, that was a great way to interpret his statement.There isn’t anything better to know!
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sadie2723
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Ted CharlotteNC:
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sadie2723
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Ted CharlotteNC:
Welcome home!
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jimmy
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Slightly off topic. I was at Borders bookstore about a month ago looking at books in the Christianity section and there was a guy that walked over and was looking for Peter Kreeft. I pointed it out to him and we got to talking. He told me that he was a Lutheran pastor. I was surprised and happy to see that he was reading Peter Kreeft. He told me that the Catholic Church has really held to the faith and protestant churches have drifted away. I just smiled out of surprise from hearing him say that. We were talking about the importance of reading the saints and following what they say rather than reading the scriptures by yourself and getting your own interpretation. He mentioned how brilliant of a man pope Bennedict XVI is and how great of a man pope John Paul II was. I think that everyone on here knows that I am a pretty conservative Catholic…this Lutheran pastor agreed with me on pretty much everything.
The point is, those who get to know the Christian faith in depth learn the beauty of Catholicism. They usually end up converting. I don’t know what this pastor will do but hopefully he ends up converting.
The point is, those who get to know the Christian faith in depth learn the beauty of Catholicism. They usually end up converting. I don’t know what this pastor will do but hopefully he ends up converting.
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magdelaine
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Ted CharlotteNC:
As an adult, after fooling around with New Age and Eastern Religions (Hinduism specifically) I found myself in a dark place and I knew I needed God. I had taken Art History courses on the early Renaissance works of Florence, which is all the most stunning religious art you can imagine. So, I thought to myself, what church did those artists belong to? The ONLY Church there was, then, of course! So I marched on over to the Catholic Church and I didn’t look back. It’s only recently that I have found out why the Church is the True Church, I’m ashamed to say. Now I think that spreading the “Good News” to Catholics and seperated brethren alike is the most important thing we can do…
By the way, special Blessings and a big Welcome Home to you and all those who are coming into the Church this Easter!
Happy Anniversary to all those celebrating a Homecoming this Easter!
May we look to a time when all His Church will be one body, again.
I can thank the Southern Baptists for the fact that my sister and I were baptised Christians (full emersion!) when we were kids. I learned to love our Lord Jesus there, and that He loved me. They would be shocked at me being Catholic, but I love them for the gift of faith.
As an adult, after fooling around with New Age and Eastern Religions (Hinduism specifically) I found myself in a dark place and I knew I needed God. I had taken Art History courses on the early Renaissance works of Florence, which is all the most stunning religious art you can imagine. So, I thought to myself, what church did those artists belong to? The ONLY Church there was, then, of course! So I marched on over to the Catholic Church and I didn’t look back. It’s only recently that I have found out why the Church is the True Church, I’m ashamed to say. Now I think that spreading the “Good News” to Catholics and seperated brethren alike is the most important thing we can do…
By the way, special Blessings and a big Welcome Home to you and all those who are coming into the Church this Easter!
Happy Anniversary to all those celebrating a Homecoming this Easter!
May we look to a time when all His Church will be one body, again.
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sadie2723
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I am going to say this one again: I have spoken with people who left the Catholic faith, and I did so prior to becoming a Catholic myself. I wanted to see what their reasons were for leaving. In all of the conversations that I had, I found one common theme: Catholicism was too hard for them.
They hated the rules. In some cases they wanted a Divorce (so they pull a Henry the 8th and go to a church where it is ok). In another case (that of a priest) they wanted to get marries (so they pull a Martin Luther and go join a church where it is ok). In some cases they wanted to use birth control (so they went down the street and joined a church where it is ok). In some cases they wanted to get an abortion (so they went down the street and joined a church where it was ok).
My question became this: Who is making the rules here? Do we just get to decide as humans that the rules of the church are outdated? I think not. That is liberalism running the church. And, for me, that was just not good enough.
So, I joined the church where the rules don’t change because a bunch of people get together and decide that they don’t apply anymore. To do so was heresy when Luther did it, when Henry the 8th did it, and it is still heresy today.
They hated the rules. In some cases they wanted a Divorce (so they pull a Henry the 8th and go to a church where it is ok). In another case (that of a priest) they wanted to get marries (so they pull a Martin Luther and go join a church where it is ok). In some cases they wanted to use birth control (so they went down the street and joined a church where it is ok). In some cases they wanted to get an abortion (so they went down the street and joined a church where it was ok).
My question became this: Who is making the rules here? Do we just get to decide as humans that the rules of the church are outdated? I think not. That is liberalism running the church. And, for me, that was just not good enough.
So, I joined the church where the rules don’t change because a bunch of people get together and decide that they don’t apply anymore. To do so was heresy when Luther did it, when Henry the 8th did it, and it is still heresy today.
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deb1
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Maybe I am reading too much between the lines of your post. If so I am sorry.
Are you certain that we are discussing the same person. Scott Hahn was a former Presbyterian minister. Are you saying that you think that Presbyterians are an apostate church? Does that mean that you don’t think that Presbyterians are Christian?
Your doubts about Scott Hahn salvation sounds as if you don’t think that a ‘saved’ person could be Catholic. Is that your belief?
So, which churches are true churches in your mind and which aren’t? Do you really not consider Presbyterians, Christians? How can you judge such a thing?
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