Why do we as Catholics believe that life begins at conception?

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Yes, those who don’t believe in the soul at all, also believe that a fetus does not have a soul at conception (that should be obvious). The point is that a majority in the world do not believe that a fetus is a human being at conception as well as in the first few months and maybe longer (on what basis is irrelevant, but I am giving you my rationale). Which is why abortion is allowed in a majority of countries in the world.
Whatever the world may believe is irrelevant; scientists who have studied this issue nearly unanimously have come to the clusion that at conception, what we do indeed have is an individual human being. 🤷
We will know exactly when the fetus becomes a human being when the Christ returns. In the meantime, any action to deny those unfortunate women who seek termination out of helplessness and despair will definitely have consequences at that time.
Why ask Christ a question natural science has already answered? :confused: Do you expect to ask Christ if string theory is true when He returns? Or if there’s a quantum theory of gravity?
 
They may not define it as the presence of a soul being necessary for a human being (although I am), but they still don’t belief the fetus is a human being, which amounts to the same thing.
The term “human being” as you use it here has no actual meaning beyond what you personally choose to give it. A fetus is a human life; there is no scientific debate about that point. You have intuited that a human life is not always a “human being”, basing your opinion apparently on when that life receives a soul, a characteristic you can prove neither when it exists nor even that it exists.

So, you would treat a human life as a human being only if it meets your (utterly unscientific) criteria. We’ve seen examples of this approach in the past, and the episodes haven’t been all that uplifting. This is the same mindset used to justify the exploitation of blacks, Indians, and Chinese just within our own country. Abortion is no different, and has even less justification.

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because everything is determined at conceotion - male or female, eye color, hair color, blood type…the moment of conception is when that individual human life begins…because there is nine months of development required to grow into the baby human being…from two cells that joined…to all the cell division…to the tiny arm and leg buds…to the first heart beat and brain waves detection…

You just don’t magically become YOU at birth…you already WERE you BEFORE your birthday…it just took nine months of growth to grow from the two cells to the lots of cells YOU.

God is amazing!
 
Hello!
I am passionately and intensely pro-life, not just for religious but also secular reasons. In my advocacy, I’ve come across the question of why we as Catholics believe that life does begin at conception. I understand and accept the scientific reasoning for it, which is that at no other time does it make sense that life begins, but I was wondering what the theological argument was for life beginning at conception.
Thanks!
As far as I know, the theology is the same as the biology. It just simply is the truth. It is being bared out in every field.
 
Obviously they do not believe a fetus is a human being, otherwise it would be murder. That is the basis for allowing abortions.
Sorry, this is unacceptable. You presented no evidence that science textbooks that show the human life begins at conception are wrong. At this point, I declare your position be one of wishful thinking, void of any rationality, base only on feelings.
Please don’t provide documented evidence about what ‘biologists’ state.
Yes, by the time the Christ comes, it may be too late to save the souls of people who persecute desperate women. But luckily there is still a little time, but not too much - maybe a year or two. We should all anticipate his coming with eagerness and try not to hurt anyone over mistaken beliefs in the meantime.
Check any biology text for the evidence. Why hurt an innocent in the process?
 

Check any biology text for the evidence. Why hurt an innocent in the process?
Ohhhhhh no no no.
Popular opinion is king.
(or unpopular opinion, depending on how much power you have to enforce your opinion.):rolleyes:
 
Ahhh…so now their argument is with science! Where does that leave the non-religious pro-life folks. At least science is on their side.

We need to pray for those who abort their offspring believing they do no wrong. We need to pray for those who abort their offspring knowing it to be wrong, but choosing the course they feel better meets their personal needs. And we need to pray for those are not sure about the timing of ensoulment (believing it to be decisive), but go ahead and kill anyway.
I am not sure why non-religious pro-life people are any different - regardless of reason for the beliefs, if everyone minds their own business and just let government enforce the laws, we will all be just fine.

However, those who interfere with other people’s affairs (the pregnant women in this case) and try to make their lives worse will pay the price when the Christ Returns - there is no forgiveness for people who hurt unfortunate women and make them suffer, merely because of their personal beliefs.

Of course, we need to pray for everyone involved on all sides of the debate - if prayers were all that was being done there would be no problem. But what we have here is the persecution of poor women (rich women have plenty of options) - that will not be forgiven by the Christ. This will come as a big surprise and shock for many.
 
Ummm, no – just discussing what is moral behaviour and what is not.
Of course, nothing wrong with discussion - even heated discussion. And absolutely nothing wrong with having differences of opinion (I don’t even mind being called ‘barbaric’ by some ‘moral’, ‘intellectual’ person - it just reflects on them)

However, when I said what we have ‘here’, I meant what is happening in this country at large. The actions of those who have made the lives of poor women - among the least of these - so difficult, these actions will not be forgiven. The Return of Christ will be a revelation in many ways for all those who think they are doing “God’s work” by persecuting the poor women.
 
…The Return of Christ will be a revelation in many ways for all those who think they are doing “God’s work” by persecuting the poor women.
It will also be a revelation for those who kill their offspring hoping they are not killing a human being.
 
It will also be a revelation for those who kill their offspring hoping they are not killing a human being.
It is not a hope, it is a conviction. In either case we don’t have long to wait to find out for sure - the Christ will be here in less than two years. But for those who think they can persecute people and be rewarded for it, it will be a shock that they never saw coming. It will be no different than in the middle ages when people thought persecuting heretics was “God’s work”, but this test is far more subtle.
 
Actually, it’s a guess, a gamble. A position held with no basis.
That is exactly what I mean - the test is too subtle for even reasonably intelligent people. It is test of compassion over self righteousness, where the apparently guilty person’s actions seem too indefensible to resist condemnation.

The urge is to condemn, rather than be merciful and compassionate. Many will fail this test - Judgment day will as merciful or as indicting to them as they have been to the women who have a difficult choice to make. That day will happen pretty soon, the Christ is getting ready even as we discuss this.
 
…The urge is to condemn, rather than be merciful and compassionate.
One can have compassion for the one who struggles, and can offer assistance and a hand-up. But in doing this, we don’t pretend that it’s OK to kill our offspring. Mercy does not demand we sanction any course of action. It demands our love and assistance. And perhaps our forgiveness.

Science is clear that our offspring - from his/her very beginning - is part of the human family. This is what we know. Gambling in such a matter is horrendous.
 
Of course, nothing wrong with discussion - even heated discussion. And absolutely nothing wrong with having differences of opinion (I don’t even mind being called ‘barbaric’ by some ‘moral’, ‘intellectual’ person - it just reflects on them)

However, when I said what we have ‘here’, I meant what is happening in this country at large. The actions of those who have made the lives of poor women - among the least of these - so difficult, these actions will not be forgiven. The Return of Christ will be a revelation in many ways for all those who think they are doing “God’s work” by persecuting the poor women.
The ones who are really hurting women are the ones telling them to go out and have fun, drink, dance, have sex with multiple persons (no matter what orientation) and IF there is a pregnancy, don’t worry–you can get rid of it and not take responsibility…
 
It is not a hope, it is a conviction. In either case we don’t have long to wait to find out for sure - the Christ will be here in less than two years. But for those who think they can persecute people and be rewarded for it, it will be a shock that they never saw coming. It will be no different than in the middle ages when people thought persecuting heretics was “God’s work”, but this test is far more subtle.
I know this is hard for a Hindu to grasp but we already know what Jesus says about this. He did not leave us on our own when he ascended to heaven-he left us his Church to guide us.
 
That is exactly what I mean - the test is too subtle for even reasonably intelligent people. It is test of compassion over self righteousness, where the apparently guilty person’s actions seem too indefensible to resist condemnation.

The urge is to condemn, rather than be merciful and compassionate. Many will fail this test - Judgment day will as merciful or as indicting to them as they have been to the women who have a difficult choice to make. That day will happen pretty soon, the Christ is getting ready even as we discuss this.
How does one know that he or she is self-righteous? When one is infallibly convinced that they are right in their convictions, when in fact they are wrong. One is locked in an erroneous conviction. It is intellectual blindness, a spiritual condition based on a deep hidden fault in ones soul, and only God can heal this blindness. this condition is unknown to the one who is affected. It is a great source of division. How do we know one has an erroneous conviction? The testimony of the facts, the evidence of the truth, the objectivity of empirical evidence or science, the honest testimony of others. A humble person always or should always, even if he or she in convinced of a truth that is in question, that there is a possibility he or she might be wrong. St,Paul, fell into this trap, until Jesus revealed Himself as the God of Abraham, the I Am, and the God of Christians. Then remorse set in when he realized the harm he had done in approving the death of St. Steven, the first martyr of the Faith
 
When it comes to making others’ lives worse or interfering with their peaceful existence, how does dismembering those who are most helpless fit in? These medical experts testify on behalf of their protection:

“As the Senate considers a bill protecting unborn human life past 20 weeks of pregnancy, medical experts insist these children do feel pain and must be protected by law.”

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/medical-experts-to-senate-committee-unborn-feel-pain-and-must-be-protected/#ixzz43HXh8qxp
 
One can have compassion for the one who struggles, and can offer assistance and a hand-up. But in doing this, we don’t pretend that it’s OK to kill our offspring. Mercy does not demand we sanction any course of action. It demands our love and assistance. And perhaps our forgiveness.

Science is clear that our offspring - from his/her very beginning - is part of the human family. This is what we know. Gambling in such a matter is horrendous.
‘Part of the human family’ does not mean a human being. Now it is science that is supporting your cause? A few scientists can always be found to support your theories. A majority of scientists/doctors have no issue with abortion in the initial months of pregnancy.

There is no gambling here - it is a better knowledge of the nature of the soul. You don;t have to pretend anything. You can believe that it is killing yourself (until the Christ returns), but imposing that belief on others. denying them their rights, making their lives more difficult is a serious issue (I am not saying you personally are doing this, but others are). Such actions will have to be answered for on Judgment Day.
 
The ones who are really hurting women are the ones telling them to go out and have fun, drink, dance, have sex with multiple persons (no matter what orientation) and IF there is a pregnancy, don’t worry–you can get rid of it and not take responsibility…
Nobody is telling women to do that - you can try to find a link where somebody is saying that - we won’t find it.

But there are plenty of links blaming the women, accusing them of murder, trying to mislead them into going to fake centers, making it hard if not impossible to exercise their rights (all this usually just affects poor women, rich women can fly to Canada if needed where there are no restrictions at all)

Such actions will be have to be answered for on the Judgment Day. there are no rewards for persecuting poor women.
 
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