Why evolution doesnt matter.

[itinerant1]

Let’s put it this way. The common element in the very diverse currents that are labeled fundamentalism here in the West is the search for a certain and simple faith. That is not bad, as far as it goes, for, in the end, faith—as the New Testament repeatedly tells us—was intended precisely for the simple and the little ones … But instead of simply hammering away at fundamentalism—whose definition keeps getting broader and broader—**theologians should ponder to what extent they are to blame **for the fact that increasing numbers of people seek refuge in narrow or unhealthy forms of religion. **When one no longer offers anything but questions **and doesn’t offer any positive way to faith, such flights are inevitable.
— Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger - Salt of the Earth, p. 137

Modernism and theological liberalism that corrupted Christianity were partly responsible for the retreat into fundamentalism as a narrow and therefore a more secure and sure world. It is as Ratzinger said: a “fact that increasing numbers of people seek refuge in narrow or unhealthy forms of religion.” Fundamentalism is not a healthy solution to the problem.

Still, I would say, in agreement with Ratzinger, that fundamentalism is generally better than a theological liberalism, which denies essential truths of Christianity.

Materialist theories of evolution of the neo-Darwinian type, Freud’s materialist view of man, which was largely influence by Darwinism, and the crass misrepresentations of the Theory of Relativity, also contributed to the angst and insecurity about life that drove people into the haven of a narrow fundamentalism.

On the other side, many Protestant biblical scholars in the late 19th and 20th centuries revolted against the constrictions of Protestant fundamentalism and became theologically liberal.

It’s a cycle that feeds on itself and thereby perpetuates itself. In Catholicism, the liberalism of a Karl Rahner, Hans Küng, Richard McBrien, Matthew Fox, or a Charles Curran and other dissidents contributes to Catholics retreating into a Catholic fundamentalism or even Protestantism.

Fundamentalist Catholics who have become dissatisfied with the small world of fundamentalism may opt out and embrace a theological liberalism.

Both extremes are unhealthy, with theological liberalism being by far the worst of the two. Official Catholic teaching on matters of faith and morals is not liberal or conservative–it is, instead, just simply the truth.

A crass literalism that many fundamentalist adhere to in interpreting Scripture is not exegesis, it is eisegesis. It is an simplified way for them to understand the Bible. It does not take much effort or education to project one’s own views into a text. This is one of the effects of the Protestant Reformation, and Martin Luther who said the Bible can be just as easily understood by a humble miller’s maid…etc.
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"Historically, it is claimed that Biblical Literalism came about with the rise of Protestantism; before Protestantism, the Bible wasn’t interpreted completely literally. Fr. Stanley Jaki, Benedictine priest, distinguished physicist and theologian, states in his Bible and Science (Christendom Press, 1996):

“Insofar as the study of the original languages of the Bible was severed from authoritative ecclesiastical preaching as its matrix, it fueled literalism… Biblical literalism taken for a source of scientific information is making the rounds even nowadays among creationists who would merit Julian Huxley’s description of ‘bibliolaters.’ They merely bring discredit to the Bible as they pile grist upon grist on the mills of latter-day Huxleys, such as Hoyle, Sagan, Gould, and others. The fallacies of creationism go deeper than fallacious reasonings about scientific data. Where creationism is fundamentally at fault is its resting its case on a theological faultline: the biblicism constructed by the [Protestant] Reformers.” (Jaki, pages 110-111)"
Theistic Evolution and the Roman Catholic Church

 

[edwest2]

Official Catholic teaching is simply the truth.

The only visible “sin” in the world of the liberal is boredom. The only antidote: constant amusement. It can be simple but for the more educated, more complex. While entranced with the toys and diversions of this age it relishes the days to come, with, hopefully, new mazes to explore. New puzzles. The ground of truth, the foundation is a stumbling block. Any path but the narrow one. It is too narrow after all. What is the fruit of it? Does it glorify God?

We are told to work out our own salvation in fear and trembling.

Peace,
Ed

 

[donsnow]

Donsnow, yes, both are relevant to evolution, depends on how they contributed to survival. In the Middle Ages, being big probably helped a knight best his foes and disseminate his genes more widely. On the other hand, being crafty and intelligent even if small of stature probably also helped to ensure dissemination of genes. One of the biggest factors in successful reproduction is being alive, so receiving adequate nutrition, having a strong immune system, and having the motivation to remain physically fit probably all contributed to passing on one’s genes to the next generation.

StAnastasia

Hi, StAnastasia,

Well, that just about wraps that one up:thumbsup:.

 

[Detales]

EdWest~“Official Catholic teaching is simply the truth.”

It’s ought to stop, Ed, that being said like that. It is more properly something like “I convinced myself by dint of circumstance and lack of both introspection and research that the most comfortable thing for me is to abdicate my individuality and soul to a fear based system in lieu of an honest and loving relationship with my God.”

*“The only visible “sin” in the world of the liberal is boredom. The only antidote: constant amusement. It can be simple but for the more educated, more complex. While entranced with the toys and diversions of this age it relishes the days to come, with, hopefully, new mazes to explore. New puzzles. The ground of truth, the foundation is a stumbling block. Any path but the narrow one. It is too narrow after all. What is the fruit of it? Does it glorify God?” ** Well, that is so to some extent in some cases. And I agree that that is the case with many, but it is emphatically not restricted to those with a “Liberal” label. I guess if yours is to be a definition, then w could call it "Uber Liberal and include many from all walks of life and every label, including many Catholics by name, including the wonderful pope who force fattened Jews and ran them to exhaustion through the streets of Rome for Saturnalia.

“We are told to work out our own salvation in fear and trembling.” Cripes, yes! That is precisely the kind of relation I want with someone I love! Paul was pretty convinced that the world was near its end, eh? (At least you chose a text from the half of the works actually he is thought to have actually written, and are not just attributed to him.) He brought every sanction to bear that he could to promote the Jewish way under the banner of Jesus, whom he never met and knew primarily as a vision. He never called Him Jesus of Nazareth, that village not even existing until after the time of the much maligned Christ. The Church, God bless its wicked little imperialist heart, has used the fear card ever since, from the burning of libraries to the Inquisition, to the American West, where Catholic missionaries regularly made intercourse a condition for the salvation of young Indian women.

Take your fear and do what ought properly be done with such flushable nonsense, Ed, and wake up for God’s sake!*

 

[rwaechter]

Actually Ryan, I love it. I just read it with different eyes. Moshe and Ieshua were of the same school. What do you think the flight into Egypt was all about? And I know all that, just make something different of it than you believe it to be. The inerrancy you seek is not in a book, but much closer than your own nose. In the mean time your “sufficiency” will do nicely for you. Blessings and Best.

I know of nothing else which is inerrant. To love the Word is very good, something that cannot be learned or searched out.

Moshe and Ieshua were of the same school. What do you think the flight into Egypt was all about?

I will check this out. Thankyou, and blessing.

Ryan

 

[Detales]

OK, here is a mere hint from Newsline, though there are libraries full of stuff on this:

"D. D. isn’t entirely right in saying that we cannot know what the face of Jesus looked like. Egyptian Kings were all believed to be the living ‘Iusu’, the ‘Ever Coming Son of God’. Iusu is the original name for Jesus, which the Greeks changed to Iesous when Alexander invaded Egypt. Iesous is still the Greek name for Jesus – refer Greek Septuagint on line. The story of the Egyptian Iusu/Jesus is exactly the same as is told in the gospels, and there is a painting in the Tomb of King Twt showing the deceased King as ‘The Holy Trinity’. In one hand he carries an Ankh, the Cross of Life, to his funeral. On his Shrine a cartouche names him as ‘Lord God of the Heprws’. The Heprw glyph is a Scarab beetle, and St.Ambrose referred many times to Jesus as ‘The Good Scarabaeus’. Therefore King Twt whose name in English is David, has as good a claim to being a once live flesh and blood Jesus, as any other impersonator of a later age.

"In June 2005, the National Geographic Magazine published the Face of this Jesus on their front cover, following a computerised reconstruction of face and head from the young King David’s skull.

“Any comparison between the Egyptian story and the Gospels shows that the latter were plagiarised from the ancient Egyptian “Book of Vivifying the Soul Forever” Assuming that the Egyptian People of today have inherited the copyright then they should be encouraged to sue all publishers of the Bible for plagiarising their ancestors’ original work.”

Here is another from a paper on biblical origins:

"The name Jesus derives from the Greek ‘IESOUS’sometimes abbreviated to Ysus’. This is easily verified for there is no ‘Book of Joshua’ in the Greek Septuagint from which the Old Testament was translated into English. In the original Greek it is the ‘Book of Jesus’ (IESOUS). Refer “Read Many Different Versions of the Bible On-Line” and check the Greek name in verses of Joshua.] Centuries before the start of the Common Era, the Ancient Greeks called him ‘DionYsus’, which name very likely came from ‘Theo’ being the Greek for God plus the genitive plural ending ‘N’, which turns the meaning into ‘Of The Gods’. Roman influence then hardened ‘Theo’ into the Latin name for God, ‘Dio’. The resulting ‘Dionysus’ giving us ‘Jesus of the Gods’.

" ‘Jesus Of The Gods’. Thus the Book of Joshua could just as easily have been translated as the Book of DionYsus.

"One may wonder why an extra ‘I’ has been inserted at the beginning of the name in Greek - Ysus Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy - ‘The Jesus Mysteries’ - explain - “The Gnostics like their predecessors the Pythagoreans, not only used symbols and images, but also numbers and mathematical formulae to encode their mystical teachings. … In the Greek alphabet, each letter also signified a number. Thus any word also had a numerical value and could be used to convey mathematical information. The Greek names of the gods were more than just words, their numerical values were also significant. … It is well known that according to the Revelation of John the number of the ‘Beast’ is 666. What is less known is that according to gematria, the Greek name Iesous - Jesus - expresses the number 888.” … The Pythagoreans also held musical harmony sacred. - 666 is the string ratio of the perfect fifth, and 888 is the string ratio of the whole tone! (D.Fidler, “Jesus Christ, Sun of God” 1993).

"Massey - ‘Ancient Egypt’ - “The god in conflict with the serpent is Iu the son of Atum, otherwise Atum in the person of the son. And here we have delved down to a tap-root of the Jesus legend. Iu-em-hetep in the cult of Atum-Ra is the coming son, the ever-coming su or son of the eternal; and Iu the su = Iusu, or Iusa the son of Iusãas, is the original of Iusu or Jesus. In one phase the battle was fought nightly betwixt Iu the son of Atum, or, in the Osirian version, betwixt Horus the son of Asar and the loathly reptile. So, Ysus, the Greek name for Iusa, was one and the same as Horus.”

and

"Many learned scholars including Freud believe(d) that Moses was none other than the Heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten. The theory put forward by Ahmed Osman in - ‘Out of Egypt’ - is very convincing, especially since Yuya (Joseph) was his grandfather. There are many other theories as for example that of Graham Phillips in - ‘The Moses Legacy’ - which suggests that Moses was a combination of a Priest, Kamose and a Prince, Tuthmose. Nearly all see Moses as Egyptian Royalty.

 Historically the suffix, 'Moses/Meses/Mosis' meaning 'Son of', was applied to the names of Pharaohs and High Officials.    Akhenaten and the followers of his new religion suddenly disappear from the scene, and his Mummy or remains have never been identified.    The name of Akhenaten was proscribed by the new regime and using it could mean a death sentence.    In such a case, 'Moses' like the Scottish 'Mac' would be an obvious alternative.

 When Akhenaten disappeared, it is very possible that Tutankhamun was also missing for a year or two, for the mysterious Smenkhare of whom we know next to nothing, reigned for this short period.    Smenkhare was never left with the same Royal Tomb and trimmings as Tutankhamun, for much of the regalia, including one of the coffins bearing Smenkhare's face mask, were taken away and reallocated to Tutankhamun.    So could Tutankhamun have been the rightful successor to Akhenaten, only succeeding to the throne when he returned from the Land of Cush.

 Numbers 12:1 tells us that Moses had married a Cushite woman, yet this story is no longer in the Bible, having been removed with the Book of Jasher. (Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18).    The story of Moses in the Land of Cush runs as follows:- etc, etc

 

[itinerant1]

OK, here is a mere hint from Newsline, though there are libraries full of stuff on this:

"D. D. isn’t entirely right in saying that we cannot know what the face of Jesus looked like. Egyptian Kings were all believed to be the living ‘Iusu’, the ‘Ever Coming Son of God’. Iusu is the original name for Jesus, which the Greeks changed to Iesous when Alexander invaded Egypt. Iesous is still the Greek name for Jesus – refer Greek Septuagint on line. The story of the Egyptian Iusu/Jesus is exactly the same as is told in the gospels, and there is a painting in the Tomb of King Twt showing the deceased King as ‘The Holy Trinity’. In one hand he carries an Ankh, the Cross of Life, to his funeral. On his Shrine a cartouche names him as ‘Lord God of the Heprws’. The Heprw glyph is a Scarab beetle, and St.Ambrose referred many times to Jesus as ‘The Good Scarabaeus’. Therefore King Twt whose name in English is David, has as good a claim to being a once live flesh and blood Jesus, as any other impersonator of a later age.
…
…

Here is another from a paper on biblical origins:

"The name Jesus derives from the Greek ‘IESOUS’sometimes abbreviated to Ysus’. This is easily verified for there is no ‘Book of Joshua’ in the Greek Septuagint from which the Old Testament was translated into English. In the original Greek it is the ‘Book of Jesus’ (IESOUS). Refer “Read Many Different Versions of the Bible On-Line” and check the Greek name in verses of Joshua.] Centuries before the start of the Common Era, the Ancient Greeks called him ‘DionYsus’, which name very likely came from ‘Theo’ being the Greek for God plus the genitive plural ending ‘N’, which turns the meaning into ‘Of The Gods’. Roman influence then hardened ‘Theo’ into the Latin name for God, ‘Dio’. The resulting ‘Dionysus’ giving us ‘Jesus of the Gods’.

" ‘Jesus Of The Gods’. Thus the Book of Joshua could just as easily have been translated as the Book of DionYsus.

"One may wonder why an extra ‘I’ has been inserted at the beginning of the name in Greek - Ysus Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy - ‘The Jesus Mysteries’ - explain - “The Gnostics like their predecessors the Pythagoreans, not only used symbols and images, but also numbers and mathematical formulae to encode their mystical teachings. … In the Greek alphabet, each letter also signified a number. Thus any word also had a numerical value and could be used to convey mathematical information. The Greek names of the gods were more than just words, their numerical values were also significant. … It is well known that according to the Revelation of John the number of the ‘Beast’ is 666. What is less known is that according to gematria, the Greek name Iesous - Jesus - expresses the number 888.” … The Pythagoreans also held musical harmony sacred. - 666 is the string ratio of the perfect fifth, and 888 is the string ratio of the whole tone! (D.Fidler, “Jesus Christ, Sun of God” 1993).

"Massey - ‘Ancient Egypt’ - “The god in conflict with the serpent is Iu the son of Atum, otherwise Atum in the person of the son. And here we have delved down to a tap-root of the Jesus legend. Iu-em-hetep in the cult of Atum-Ra is the coming son, the ever-coming su or son of the eternal; and Iu the su = Iusu, or Iusa the son of Iusãas, is the original of Iusu or Jesus. In one phase the battle was fought nightly betwixt Iu the son of Atum, or, in the Osirian version, betwixt Horus the son of Asar and the loathly reptile. So, Ysus, the Greek name for Iusa, was one and the same as Horus.”

and

"Many learned scholars including Freud believe(d) that Moses was none other than the Heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten. The theory put forward by Ahmed Osman in - ‘Out of Egypt’ - is very convincing, especially since Yuya (Joseph) was his grandfather. There are many other theories as for example that of Graham Phillips in - ‘The Moses Legacy’ - which suggests that Moses was a combination of a Priest, Kamose and a Prince, Tuthmose. Nearly all see Moses as Egyptian Royalty.

 Historically the suffix, 'Moses/Meses/Mosis' meaning 'Son of', was applied to the names of Pharaohs and High Officials.    Akhenaten and the followers of his new religion suddenly disappear from the scene, and his Mummy or remains have never been identified.    The name of Akhenaten was proscribed by the new regime and using it could mean a death sentence.    In such a case, 'Moses' like the Scottish 'Mac' would be an obvious alternative.

 When Akhenaten disappeared, it is very possible that Tutankhamun was also missing for a year or two, for the mysterious Smenkhare of whom we know next to nothing, reigned for this short period.    Smenkhare was never left with the same Royal Tomb and trimmings as Tutankhamun, for much of the regalia, including one of the coffins bearing Smenkhare's face mask, were taken away and reallocated to Tutankhamun.    So could Tutankhamun have been the rightful successor to Akhenaten, only succeeding to the throne when he returned from the Land of Cush.

 Numbers 12:1 tells us that Moses had married a Cushite woman, yet this story is no longer in the Bible, having been removed with the Book of Jasher. (Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18).    The story of Moses in the Land of Cush runs as follows:- etc, etc

And this is what you believe? Good grief!

How about sticking to the thread topic.

 

[Detales]

It is pertinent to the topic in that it points to the evolution of christianism. It is information not accounted for by Church teaching. Someone ought ot put it out there. Where is your research on the topic, other than pious disdain? The evolution of the beliefs of the Church matter, do they not?

 

[Hosh]

"Many learned scholars including Freud believe(d) that Moses was none other than the Heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten. The theory put forward by Ahmed Osman in - ‘Out of Egypt’ - is very convincing, especially since Yuya (Joseph) was his grandfather. There are many other theories as for example that of Graham Phillips in - ‘The Moses Legacy’ - which suggests that Moses was a combination of a Priest, Kamose and a Prince, Tuthmose. Nearly all see Moses as Egyptian Royalty.

 Historically the suffix, 'Moses/Meses/Mosis' meaning 'Son of', was applied to the names of Pharaohs and High Officials.    Akhenaten and the followers of his new religion suddenly disappear from the scene, and his Mummy or remains have never been identified.    The name of Akhenaten was proscribed by the new regime and using it could mean a death sentence.    In such a case, 'Moses' like the Scottish 'Mac' would be an obvious alternative.

 When Akhenaten disappeared, it is very possible that Tutankhamun was also missing for a year or two, for the mysterious Smenkhare of whom we know next to nothing, reigned for this short period.    Smenkhare was never left with the same Royal Tomb and trimmings as Tutankhamun, for much of the regalia, including one of the coffins bearing Smenkhare's face mask, were taken away and reallocated to Tutankhamun.    So could Tutankhamun have been the rightful successor to Akhenaten, only succeeding to the throne when he returned from the Land of Cush.

 Numbers 12:1 tells us that Moses had married a Cushite woman, yet this story is no longer in the Bible, having been removed with the Book of Jasher. (Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18).    The story of Moses in the Land of Cush runs as follows:- etc, etc

Isn’t it weird that there was a plague during Akhenaten’s time. Freud also pointed out that maybe Moses was slow of speech because he didn’t speak Hebrew. Not to mention that monotheism is a sexy idea that’s unlikely to just die out and the dates line of perfectly

 

[StAnastasia]

Hi, StAnastasia, Well, that just about wraps that one up:thumbsup:.

Donsnow, maybe, maybe not. There is always a lot more to learn. I was fascinated a few years ago by a study that traced the ancestry of a man who is HIV+ but has remained AIDS asymptomatic for two decades or more. It turns out he is a descendant of a Yorkshire woman who survived the bubonic plague, and that the gene that conferred immunity to the plague bacillus in her also confers immunity to HIV in him. Of course, this doesn’t explain everything, because most of us with Northern European blood are descendants of survivors of the Black Death (1348-50).

StAnastasia

 

[StAnastasia]

The only visible “sin” in the world of the liberal is boredom. The only antidote: constant amusement.Peace,Ed

Ed, this is, of course, an absurd caricature. It’s like saying that the only visible sin in the world of the conservative is abortion. Both that and your claim are absurd.

StAnastasia

 

[edwest2]

Ed, this is, of course, an absurd caricature. It’s like saying that the only visible sin in the world of the conservative is abortion. Both that and your claim are absurd.

StAnastasia

Taken away from the rest of what I posted it might seem a bit broad. However, when I hear the various purveyors of entertainment-philosophy, it is quite obvious that if the narrow path is rejected, the wide path to destruction is often followed. Even one anti-theist commented that there are few advantages - one being that you could sleep in on Sundays.

Look at evolution here and all the sound, and sometimes fury, generated over the idea. It has been caricatured as this thing everyone must believe. Dismiss it and civilization falls… or worse

Peace,
Ed

 

[donsnow]

Donsnow, maybe, maybe not. There is always a lot more to learn. I was fascinated a few years ago by a study that traced the ancestry of a man who is HIV+ but has remained AIDS asymptomatic for two decades or more. It turns out he is a descendant of a Yorkshire woman who survived the bubonic plague, and that the gene that conferred immunity to the plague bacillus in her also confers immunity to HIV in him. Of course, this doesn’t explain everything, because most of us with Northern European blood are descendants of survivors of the Black Death (1348-50).

StAnastasia

Thanks, StAnastasia -

For sharing that. As far as many Europeans descended from survivors of the plague, that could account for a lower count of HIV-AIDS in Europe than in Africa, were that virus remains rampant.

 

[donsnow]

Hi, Detales -

You may not verbally claim a towering intellect; nevertheless, many of your posts come across as if you thought you were on top of something.

 

[Detales]

Hmmm… DonS, many interesting pictures come to mind. Are they mine or did you provocatively put them there?

Whatever you might think of my posts, I spend a lot of time reading about faith and philosophy, and communicating with others of different schools who do the same. I’ve posted bibliographies and contact web sites to encourage others to do the same or at least discuss my claims on the terms stated. The 99.9% pure response is pious disdain fronting the claim that faith is sufficient and that my fifty-eighty odd years studying the matters at hand, including my time as a well catechized, devout, and proselytizing Catholic really have no bearing on the matter under discussion.

So what am I on top of? A lot of questions stemming from incongruities between my experience and Catholicism, and a sincere interest in finding resolutions. Few, if any, have been forthcoming from the Church in terms other than pious obscurantism surrounding actual dynamics of progress that they hide, and have been hiding for centuries. Consequences reveal the rules, and my adoption of perspectives from other philosophies have proved to be shortcuts around and clarifications of Catholicisms that were little more, I see now, than vast misunderstandings and mistranslations of very very useful knowledge. So maybe I am as well on top of going a little more directly, clearly, and honestly than I used to.

I also learned to think critically and compose English sentences and longer tracts with some competency when I was in the Catholic school system through high school. I can send you addresses and names if you wish to send notes of gratitude to my teachers.

Bindar Doondat, FZPC

 

[rossum]

As far as many Europeans descended from survivors of the plague, that could account for a lower count of HIV-AIDS in Europe than in Africa, were that virus remains rampant.

I have seen similar work saying that it was not plague but smallpox.The high frequency, recent origin, and geographic distribution of the CCR5-Delta32 deletion allele together indicate that it has been intensely selected in Europe. Although the allele confers resistance against HIV-1, HIV has not existed in the human population long enough to account for this selective pressure. The prevailing hypothesis is that the selective rise of CCR5-Delta32 to its current frequency can be attributed to bubonic plague. By using a population genetic framework that takes into account the temporal pattern and age-dependent nature of specific diseases, we find that smallpox is more consistent with this historical role.

Source: Evaluating plague and smallpox as historical selective pressures for the CCR5-Delta32 HIV-resistance allele.
Since smallpox is a virus, like HIV, rather than a bacterium like Yersinia pestis, I would be inclined to go with the smallpox hypothesis rather than the plague hypothesis.

In either case the effect is as you describe.

rossum

 

[vjtorley]

StAnastasia

Some time ago you asked me if Intelligent Design theory had any rigorous scientific criteria for identifying the designed features of living things. Well, I’ve been searching around, and I’ve found some good scientific papers (some of them peer-reviewed) and online books. I hope you enjoy reading them.

Information Theory: Key Concepts, Plus Scientific Criteria for Identifying Design in the Natural World

books.google.com/books?id=dBKOpEq-eY8C&dq=Hubert+Yockey+Information+Theory,+Evolution&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=xKUrS_OiMM2LkAXU1-WCCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Information Theory, Evolution and The Origin of Life (Online book)
by Dr. Hubert Yockey
Cambridge University Press 2005

The Capabilities of Chaos and Complexity by Dr. David Abel. In International Journal of Molecular Sciences, 2009, 10, 247-291; doi:10.3390/ijms10010247.
mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/247/pdf

Three subsets of sequence complexity and their relevance to biopolymeric information by Dr. David Abel and Professor Jack Trevors. In Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling (2005), 2:29, doi:10.1186/1742-4682-2-29.
tbiomed.com/content/2/1/29

Life’s Conservation Law: Why Darwinian Evolution Cannot Create Biological Information (2009) by Dr. William Dembski and Dr. Robert Marks.
evoinfo.org/Publications/ConsInfo_NoN.pdf

Specification: The Pattern That Signifies Intelligence. [23Jun05] Latest installment in the Mathematical Foundations of Intelligent Design.
designinference.com/documents/2005.06.Specification.pdf

newscholars.com/papers/ID%20Web%20Article.pdf
Intelligent Design: Required by Biological Life? by K.D. Kalinsky
February 19, 2008

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The Scientific Case that Life was designed

The Biological Big Bang model for the major transitions in evolution
Dr. Eugene Koonin
biology-direct.com/content/2/1/21

Astonishing complexity of DNA demolishes neo-Darwinism by Alex Williams.
creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j21_3/j21_3_111-117.pdf

Dr. Stephen Meyer
DNA and the Origin of Life: Information, Specification and Explanation, 2007, in Darwinism, Design, and Public Education, published with Michigan State University Press.
discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1026

Biological Information: The Puzzle of Life that Darwinism Hasn’t Solved by Dr. Stephen Meyer
evolutionnews.org/2009/06/biological_information_the_puz.html

“The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories” (2004)
by Dr. Stephen Meyer
discovery.org/a/2177

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The Scientific Case that the Cambrian Explosion was the product of design

The Mystery of the Cambrian Explosion
darwinsdilemma.org/cambrian-explosion.php

The Cambrian Explosion: Biology’s Big Bang
By: Stephen C. Meyer, Marcus Ross, Paul Nelson & Paul Chien. In Darwinism, Design and Public Education, December 1, 2003
discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=639

Questions about the Cambrian Explosion, Evolution, and Intelligent Design
darwinsdilemma.org/pdf/faq.pdf

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Useful Books and DVDs

amazon.com/Signature-Cell-Evidence-Intelligent-Design/dp/0061472786/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261151329&sr=1-1
Signature in the Cell by Dr. Stephen Meyer (HarperOne, 2009)

Darwin’s Dilemma (DVD) Illustra Media, 2009
amazon.com/Darwins-Dilemma-Stephen-Meyer/dp/B002MZTSRM/ref=pd_sim_b_1

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Refuting Misconceptions about Intelligent Design

uncommondescent.com/faq/
Frequently raised but weak arguments against Intelligent Design

The Scientific Status of Intelligent Design:
The Methodological Equivalence of Naturalistic and Non-Naturalistic Origins Theories1
By Dr. Stephen C. Meyer
In Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe (Ignatius Press)
November 13, 2005
discovery.org/a/2834

Best wishes,

Vincent

 

[edwest2]

Thank you, Vincent. Very helpful.

Peace,
Ed

 

[donsnow]

Hmmm… DonS, many interesting pictures come to mind. Are they mine or did you provocatively put them there?

Whatever you might think of my posts, I spend a lot of time reading about faith and philosophy, and communicating with others of different schools who do the same. I’ve posted bibliographies and contact web sites to encourage others to do the same or at least discuss my claims on the terms stated. The 99.9% pure response is pious disdain fronting the claim that faith is sufficient and that my fifty-eighty odd years studying the matters at hand, including my time as a well catechized, devout, and proselytizing Catholic really have no bearing on the matter under discussion.

So what am I on top of? A lot of questions stemming from incongruities between my experience and Catholicism, and a sincere interest in finding resolutions. Few, if any, have been forthcoming from the Church in terms other than pious obscurantism surrounding actual dynamics of progress that they hide, and have been hiding for centuries. Consequences reveal the rules, and my adoption of perspectives from other philosophies have proved to be shortcuts around and clarifications of Catholicisms that were little more, I see now, than vast misunderstandings and mistranslations of very very useful knowledge. So maybe I am as well on top of going a little more directly, clearly, and honestly than I used to.

I also learned to think critically and compose English sentences and longer tracts with some competency when I was in the Catholic school system through high school. I can send you addresses and names if you wish to send notes of gratitude to my teachers.

Bindar Doondat, FZPC

Hi, Detales -

Is Bindar Doondat your given name?

Nope, the pictures brought to your mind by my post, they’re all yours .

Detales, I had already gathered that you are widely read, and good for you, if that’s what you want. However, when in my ‘40’s, I began censoring what I read. At the library, I would check out equal numbers of fiction and non-fiction reading. I allowed myself the books about strange critters and places on Earth now, as well as mystery and adventure stories, etc. My non-fiction reading comprises texts on astronomy, biographies and autobiographies of people who interest me, and history. I censored my self from heretical and other religions’ writings. I wanted and want to base myself in Jesus Christ’s teachings and life. I take writings such as you have quoted with heaping helpings of ‘salt’.
Such writings as you quote are not authorities in my life, nor, of course, are you. So, when I shrug off what you post and such, I don’t mean to be rude, but am protecting my faith and still censoring myself. Since I am determined to follow Jesus, I am very picky which non-Biblical writings about him and his life which I allow myself to read.

Unlike you, I have found satisfaction in the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and in her teachings. That goes back, to my having learned to not over analyze myself nor anything else, from hard experience.

You’re in my prayers.

And, of course, we’re each entitled to not only our respective opinions but also to our respective choice of sources.

 

[StAnastasia]

Since smallpox is a virus, like HIV, rather than a bacterium like Yersinia pestis, I would be inclined to go with the smallpox hypothesis rather than the plague hypothesis.In either case the effect is as you describe.rossum

rossum, thank you for the clarification. That makes more sense to me, as I didn’t understand how bacterium resistance could confer viral resistance.

StAnastasia