Why God didn't desire a universe without evil?

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The number of possible universe, what it could be if we have done so and so, is infinite. The number of universes which we always do good is a lot if not infinite. Just consider one of those universe and tell me why God didn’t create that universe.
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Whenever I wonder about mysteries such as this,
I shrug my shoulders and remember Saint Augustine with the story of the trinity,
Our simple minds just aren’t smart enough to fathom it all
 
STT said:
We say may because we cannot predict the decision of a person. That is true people could always do good. The point that I am raising is that a universe that people always do good is possible. Could we agree on that?
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No, I don’t think we can.

If there is any freedom at all, then there must be two possibilities. If there is only possibility --all people will always do good–then there is no freedom.

BTW, who gets to choose what is ‘good’?
 
STT said:
The number of possible universe, what it could be if we have done so and so, is infinite.
This means that universes without evil are possible. Why God didn’t desire a universe without evil?
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Christians certain believe that it is possible to have a universe without evil, in fact, we believe that this was the very case in the beginning. What St. Thomas points out is that the very ontology of creation leaves it with the potential for evil, as the goodness of created things are ontologically seperated from the ultimate good of God. It just so happens that Adam decided to actualize that potential, leaving his children with the consequences.

Christi pax.
 
Lucretius said:
Christians certain believe that it is possible to have a universe without evil, in fact, we believe that this was the very case in the beginning. What St. Thomas points out is that the very ontology of creation leaves it with the potential for evil, as the goodness of created things are ontologically seperated from the ultimate good of God. It just so happens that Adam decided to actualize that potential, leaving his children with the consequences.

Christi pax.
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Let me change my question to this one to be more clearer: Why God didn’t desire a universes which people always do good?
 
fhansen said:
No problem-wasn’t expecting much
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I understand that you deflect straight answers when they challenge your perspective - problem noted.

(As for posting a quote when someone asks - that is common courtesy
 
STT said:
Let me change my question to this one to be more clearer: Why God didn’t desire a universes which people always do good?
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He did. What you want to ask me is why didn’t he create an universe that had no potential for evil.

The answer for St. Thomas is simply that creation necessarily means an ontological seperation from the Goodness of God, which holds within itself the potential for corruption.

Furthermore, God wanted to create all possible degrees of being, some of which have a greater potential for corruption than others (the inanimate, the living, the conscious, and the intelligent).

Christi pax.
 
Lucretius said:
He did. What you want to ask me is why didn’t he create an universe that had no potential for evil.
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No, He didn’t create a universe that people always do good. And I didn’t mean that God should create a universe which has no potential for evil.
Lucretius said:
The answer for St. Thomas is simply that creation necessarily means an ontological seperation from the Goodness of God, which holds within itself the potential for corruption.
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That I understand. Lets think of two universes that in one people always do good and in another people sometimes do evil. The both universes are possible. My question is why God didn’t create the first universe.
Lucretius said:
Furthermore, God wanted to create all possible degrees of being, some of which have a greater potential for corruption than others (the inanimate, the living, the conscious, and the intelligent).

Christi pax.
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I think that the creation was good as it is stated in Bible. Moreover I think a perfect being always acts perfectly.
 
friardchips said:
Because to answer this question you have to understand what it is that you are asking.

If one has reached a point in analysis in which one finds oneself in agreement with the insights of those who are Doctors of the Church, one can begin to formulate truth of wider magnitude, to which you seem to be intending to do. St. Augustine wrote about this subject and his body of work might aid your search.
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How this definition of evil resolve the problem?
 
Vico said:
Once there is a free will intelligent creature, then there is potential for both good and evil.
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That I agree yet you didn’t answer my question: Is a universe without evil possible? We are talking about possibility.
 
friardchips said:
I understand that you deflect straight answers when they challenge your perspective - problem noted.

(As for posting a quote when someone asks - that is common courtesy
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pot meet kettle-I certainly haven’t encountered any courtesy in this exchange. As I stated you* already* challenged me based on the quote as it was, then ran way from any plain explanation as to why I shouldn’t agree with post #46, and now still won’t step up to the plate. Either way I don’t think I can recall a more offensive, not to mention defensive, scattered cluster of largely non-sequitur responses to my posts, with maybe a bright spot or two here and there. See ya.
 
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