Why have Evangelicals allied themselves with Israel & Zionists?

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Oh man! You really believe all that?

Nothing in all the things that your illustrious heroe senator said is relevent to valid reasons for the US to support Israel of not.

I have gone in and colored the rhetorical and irrelevent statements that this man made (if this is a factual account. I cannot be sure since you offer no link to the speech text in order for anyone to verify it.)
Senator James Inhofe made a speech to the senate about why America should support Israel.
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  1. Among some of the reasons were that 3000 years ago King David built the temple in Jerusalem and there were many Jewish Kings after David.
  2. The Arabs did not arrive in Palestine until the seventh century.
  3. When, archeologists dig up artifacts on the Temple Mount they only find Jewish ones.
  4. Arabs are deliberately destroying any Jewish artifacts that they find on the Mount.
  5. Most of the Arab countries like Kuwait were not founded as countries until 1913 or later.
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  1. Today, Israel grows more food for exporting than any other dessert country in the world.
  2. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and is a buffer state against the Arabs and global terrorism.
  3. Israel fought four justifiable wars. They were attacked in three wars and were the first to attack in the 1956 Sinai war because they had information before hand that they would be attacked.
    9 During the Gulf war, 49 Scud missiles were fired at Israel and yet they agreed not to fight back…. following US policy.
  4. Six million Jews were murdered in the holocaust. Where else can they go but Israel?
  5. The size of Israel today would fit into Oklahoma seven times.
  6. God said it would be a witness to the world when the Jews would be brought back to the Holy Land.
    13 When Israel was forced to pull out of Gaza by Condoleezza Rice Gaza it was filled with hot houses where they grew plants. Once occupied by the Arabs they tore down all of the hot houses.
  7. Genesis 13:14-17 promises the land to the Jews.
    15 Leviticus promises the land to the Jews.That’s it… all the rest is just rhetoric to get people who call themselves Christians to support this guy’s in whatever political game he’s playing.
    Miserere nobis,
 
I wanted to know the biblical justification and the theological rationale for evangelicals supporting the secular state of Israel. IMO, only a few posts have addressed the OP: “Why have Evangelicals allied themselves so closely with the Zionist Jews?..why do these American Christians feel so drawn to them?”
 
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LtTony:
I wanted to know the biblical justification and the theological rationale for evangelicals supporting the secular state of Israel. IMO, only a few posts have addressed the OP: “Why have Evangelicals allied themselves so closely with the Zionist Jews?..why do these American Christians feel so drawn to them?”
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Thank you. I was hoping someone else would notice how far this thread has drifted.
 
Seems it drifted when some began posting what seemed to be rather uncharitable things about Jews, our “elder brethren in the faith.”
 
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Brian_C:
Seems it drifted when some began posting what seemed to be rather uncharitable things about Jews, our “elder brethren in the faith.”
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I don’t see too many people commenting on Judaism, much less saying anything bad about it.

There is however, plenty of comment on the modern state of Israel. Supporting Judaism and combating anti-semitism do not require sanctioning every act of the government of Israel.

Radical Evangelicals, however, do not care about Palestinian christians, nor do they really care about supporting Judaism. They have their own apocalyptic vision that leads them to lock-step support for Israel, and I think most of the commentary here illustrates how confusing it is from a Christian perspective.
 
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Brian_C:
Seems it drifted when some began posting what seemed to be rather uncharitable things about Jews, our “elder brethren in the faith.”
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Where? When I called the Jews “perfidious”?
 
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LtTony:
I wanted to know the biblical justification and the theological rationale for evangelicals supporting the secular state of Israel. IMO, only a few posts have addressed the OP: “Why have Evangelicals allied themselves so closely with the Zionist Jews?..why do these American Christians feel so drawn to them?”
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I don’tr expect a Catholic to understand why Evangelicals support Israel. Why would you when Pope John Paul ll tried to implement a plan for peace in the Middle-East? If he had bothered to read his Bible he would have known that there will never be peace in the Middle East until “The Prince of Peace” comes back to rule the world on his throne from Jerusalem. Heck, John Paul ll didn’t even support the Iraqi war. What does that tell you about him? He was to busy trying to placate the Moslems. Remember when he kissed the Koran?
 
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Alfie:
I don’tr expect a Catholic to understand why Evangelicals support Israel. Why would you when Pope John Paul ll tried to implement a plan for peace in the Middle-East? If he had bothered to read his Bible he would have known that there will never be peace in the Middle East until “The Prince of Peace” comes back to rule the world on his throne from Jerusalem. Heck, John Paul ll didn’t even support the Iraqi war. What does that tell you about him? He was to busy trying to placate the Moslems. Remember when he kissed the Koran?
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There was peace in the middle east for pretty long periods of time. So that theory’s out the window.

John Paul II was fulfilling his moral duty to seek peace and reconciliation. Showing Muslims that Christians don’t hate anyone and won’t make war on another religion is the work of a Saint in today’s climate. Perhaps that’s why you find it so hard to understand.
 
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pro_universal:
There was peace in the middle east for pretty long periods of time. So that theory’s out the window.

John Paul II was fulfilling his moral duty to seek peace and reconciliation. Showing Muslims that Christians don’t hate anyone and won’t make war on another religion is the work of a Saint in today’s climate. Perhaps that’s why you find it so hard to understand.
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Very well said!

My problem with the whole idea that there is a Biblical reason to be Zionist is that the whole thing is based upon “rapture theology” which is drastically unBibical anyway.

As Smitty said I too would like to see the passages that Evangelicals/Fundamentalists offer to support their political agenda.

Has anyone considered that the politcal climate today of neo-Cons who mix their strange theologies with politics in some ways parallel the temporal power conflicts that the Catholic Church endured many centuries ago and resulted in the Crusades.(As well as many other problems and abuses.) :ehh: :hmmm:
 
Church Militant:
Has anyone considered that the politcal climate today of neo-Cons who mix their strange theologies with politics in some ways parallel the temporal power conflicts that the Catholic Church endured many centuries ago and resulted in the Crusades.(As well as many other problems and abuses.) :ehh: :hmmm:
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I hope you’re not advocating separation of Church and state. :confused:
 
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Alfie:
He was to busy trying to placate the Moslems. Remember when he kissed the Koran?
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Yes, that was a very quesionable action. 😦 I actually agree with you here, Alfie. I think it will be the only time, though.
 
Church Militant:
Very well said!

My problem with the whole idea that there is a Biblical reason to be Zionist is that the whole thing is based upon “rapture theology” which is drastically unBibical anyway.

As Smitty said I too would like to see the passages that Evangelicals/Fundamentalists offer to support their political agenda.

Has anyone considered that the politcal climate today of neo-Cons who mix their strange theologies with politics in some ways parallel the temporal power conflicts that the Catholic Church endured many centuries ago and resulted in the Crusades.(As well as many other problems and abuses.) :ehh: :hmmm:
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What strange theologies? Oh, I forgot you mean the Bible. Now you are blaming the conflict in the Middle East on the Christians?The Crusades were based on the Catholic notion that the Holy Land belonged to the Catholic Church. The church had no right to start the Crusades. There is a big difference between the Crusades and the Evangelical support of Israel.We believe it is Gods land. One of these days you are going to find out the hard way who is right, but I won’t be around to see you eat crow because I will be gone with the Rapture.
 
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JSmitty2005:
I hope you’re not advocating separation of Church and state. :confused:
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Can you show me where history vindicates the actions of the cultures that do not maintain that?
 
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Alfie:
I don’tr expect a Catholic to understand why Evangelicals support Israel. Why would you when Pope John Paul ll tried to implement a plan for peace in the Middle-East? If he had bothered to read his Bible he would have known that there will never be peace in the Middle East until “The Prince of Peace” comes back to rule the world on his throne from Jerusalem. Heck, John Paul ll didn’t even support the Iraqi war. What does that tell you about him? He was to busy trying to placate the Moslems. Remember when he kissed the Koran?
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Do you get up in the morning w/ the sole goal to insult the largest segment of Christendom? We have minds and even if we disagree w/ someone, we have the capacity to understand a different perspective.

Why are you even engaging us in conversation? Are we supposed to assume that since you are an Evangelical that you are too stupid to understand a Catholic perspective?
 
Jimmy Akin has a good perspective on the quran thing on his blog.
 
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Alfie:
What strange theologies? Oh, I forgot you mean the Bible.
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No… just the weird and errant new winds of their doctrines…like the rapture, just for example. A error that came into existence about 150 years ago courtesy of a Church of Ireland preacher.
Now you are blaming the conflict in the Middle East on the Christians?
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How do you figure Trigger? Nothing I said even implies this.
The Crusades were based on the Catholic notion that the Holy Land belonged to the Catholic Church. The church had no right to start the Crusades.
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As usual, no support from historical facts. A defensive war of the West vs the East and the Holy City defended from the spreading Moslems.
There is a big difference between the Crusades and the Evangelical support of Israel.We believe it is Gods land.
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Based upon what exactly? This, I think, is what JSmitty is really asking and has yet to get a decent answer.
One of these days you are going to find out the hard way who is right, but I won’t be around to see you eat crow because I will be gone with the Rapture.
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Or more likely you’ll be running to try to find the Catholics who will have probably gone underground just as the first Catholics did vs the original Roman Empire. Whatcha gonna do when the rapture doesn’t happen?
Pax tecum,
 
Church Militant:
Riiiiight… yeah…
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I’m not sure exactly what you mean by this, but both of those are universally binding infallible documents of the Church.
 
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