Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

[lileli]

Those who experience SSA are not forbidden heaven. Those who sin and repent are not forbidden heaven. For the remainder, God decides.

I am glad I can agree with you on something. Too many people feel they KNOW where someone is going when only God is the judge.

 

[lileli]

I was born a man-I didn’t have any say about it. I , of course, don’t choose my attractions but I have 100% control over whether I act on my attractions.

I can agree with this statement. I just believe it is cruel to forbid people from falling in love and forming a union with another human being.

 

[lax16]

You have the right to believe all of that. However, you are not entitled to your own facts. The American Psychological Association has proven through multiple studies that homosexuality is normal. The study of the animal kingdom proves that homosexuality is present in many animal species.

There are facts that contradict your claim that homosexuality is normal. We are not animals, we are not solely driven by instinct.

 

[lileli]

There are facts that contradict your claim that homosexuality is normal. We are not animals, we are not solely driven by instinct.

…except we are animals…look at the organs of a dog and look at ours pretty similar…o boy I guess you deny evolution don’t you? Even the Church isn’t that behind!

 

[lax16]

I can agree with this statement. I just believe it is cruel to forbid people from falling in love and forming a union with another human being.

The Catholic Church forbids people from falling in love and forming unions? That’s news to me.

 

[estesbob]

You have the right to believe all of that. However, you are not entitled to your own facts. The American Psychological Association has proven through multiple studies that homosexuality is normal. The study of the animal kingdom proves that homosexuality is present in many animal species.

Since when does the APA determine morality? And they didn’t determine homosexuality was “normal” via multiple studies-they removed it from the list of disorders by a vote. Again hardly a way to determine morality.

My dog eats his poop-does that mean we should?

 

[lileli]

The Catholic Church forbids people from falling in love and forming unions? That’s news to me.

People of the same sex, yes.

 

[Rau]

I am fully aware of the teaching which is better than other Churches…at least the Catholic Church realizes that orientation isn’t a choice and not a sin. I am talking about both. Yes, in the Catholic world you can be gay as long as you never act on your love for someone. That, in my opinion, is wrong.

Act on love by all means. But restrict sexual intimacy to the circumstances God intended.

 

[lax16]

…except we are animals…look at the organs of a dog and look at ours pretty similar…o boy I guess you deny evolution don’t you? Even the Church isn’t that behind!

We as humans are more than our genitalia, at least we should be.

 

[lileli]

Since when does the APA determine morality? And they didn’t determine homosexuality was “normal” via multiple studies-they removed it from the list of disorders by a vote. Again hardly a way to determine morality.

My dog eats his poop-does that mean we should?

You see science is not dogmatic. When scientists realize they are in error THEY MUST change their view or allow for the new evidence to inform their views. I am not sure how th eating of poop has to do with this? Dogs have much quicker digestive systems therefore they don’t become ill as easily. Just because we are interrelated with animals doesnt mean we are exactly the same.

 

[lileli]

Act on love by all means. But restrict sexual intimacy to the circumstances God intended.

So you are saying if a man lives with another man and they cuddle all the time and love each other that is ok? Just as long as they don’t actually pleasure each other? Correct?

 

[Rau]

When talking about the Christ etc we are speaking on matters purely of faith. In terms of faith, I believe the Catholic Church is rock solid. In terms of human sexuality in which we now have biology, psychology, and sexology informing us of facts, the Church has committed error. Please don’t assume my position on abortion. Abortions harms someone else and therefore is problematic.

Which scientific facts should alter anything about the morality of sexual relations outside marriage? The fact of desire?

 

[lax16]

People of the same sex, yes.

Please show me where the Church forbids people of the same sex from falling in love and forming relationships.

Remember, love and relationships do not have to lead to sex.

 

[lileli]

Please show me where the Church forbids people of the same sex from falling in love and forming relationships.

Remember, love and relationships do not have to lead to sex.

Ok So if a gay couple doesnt have sex then they can adopt?

 

[Rau]

I participate in holy Eucharist when I am in a state of grace which I receive through confession or absolution from a priest.

If you were gay and had had a same sex sexual encounter, would you confess that, or would you regard it as not sinful and omit it?

 

[Faithdancer]

I participate in holy Eucharist when I am in a state of grace which I receive through confession or absolution from a priest.

So we can all attend any other churches we want, participate in their Eucharist, or Lord’s Supper, etc., one day, then attend confession with a Roman Catholic priest the next day, confess that we attended another church and took communion there, and then receive the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic service, and then, repeat, as long as we feel like it? Sooner or later (probably sooner) the Roman Catholic priest is going to tell us that we cannot continue doing that.

 

[lileli]

If you were gay and had had a same sex sexual encounter, would you confess that, or would you regard it as not sinful and omit it?

In my hearts of hearts I don’t believe it is sinful but I would disclose it and see where the conversation goes. I have discussed masturbation(sorry for the details) with a priest during confession and I have told him I don’t believe this is sinful but I am suppose to say it. He laughed and continued to absolve me. So there you go…

 

[Faithdancer]

Ok So if a gay couple doesnt have sex then they can adopt?

By man’s law, yes, in many jurisdictions. By natural law, no. Never.

 

[lax16]

Ok So if a gay couple doesnt have sex then they can adopt?

Are you asking my opinion I the Catholic Church’s position on this matter?

What does having not having sex have to do with adoption?

 

[lileli]

So we can all attend any other churches we want, participate in their Eucharist, or Lord’s Supper, etc., one day, then attend confession with a Roman Catholic priest the next day, confess that we attended another church and took communion there, and then receive the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic service, and then, repeat, as long as we feel like it? Sooner or later (probably sooner) the Roman Catholic priest is going to tell us that we cannot continue doing that.

The episcopalian church has no issue with this because it fully recognizes the Eucharist of the Catholic Church. They are aware I am a Catholic who is testing the waters so to speak. I don’t believe I can ever leave the Catholic Church. I love the Church very much regardless of our disagreements