Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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lileli said:
You have the right to believe all of that. However, you are not entitled to your own facts. The American Psychological Association has proven through multiple studies that homosexuality is normal. The study of the animal kingdom proves that homosexuality is present in many animal species.
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Good heavens. They’ve not proven anything, nor tried to. They don’t know the cause either! They just admit that, in their opinion, there is no merit in including it in the DSM given:
  • those with SSA mostly don’t want treatment;
  • SSA is no direct threat to others;
  • there is no accepted treatment.
For interest, read about pedophilia. The key aspect of it that, in the medical sense, distinguishes it from SSA so as to earn a place in the DSM, is that it is a risk to children, and thus cannot be ignored.
 
lax16 said:
Are you asking my opinion I the Catholic Church’s position on this matter?

What does having not having sex have to do with adoption?
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I am just trying to understand what you mean a gay couple can be together and just not have sex. So can they hold hands, cuddle, play fight, and kiss on the cheek? What is allowed?
 
Rau said:
Good heavens. They’ve not proven anything, nor tried to. They don’t know the cause either! They just admit that, in their opinion, there is no merit in including it in the DSM given:
  • those with SSA mostly don’t want treatment;
  • SSA is no direct threat to others;
  • there is no accepted treatment.
For interest, read about pedophilia. The key aspect of it that, in the medical sense, distinguishes it from SSA, so as to earn a place in the DSM, is that it is a risk to children, and thus cannot be ignored.
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It not being a threat to others is KEY!
 
lileli said:
In my hearts of hearts I don’t believe it is sinful but I would disclose it and see where the conversation goes. I have discussed masturbation(sorry for the details) with a priest during confession and I have told him I don’t believe this is sinful but I am suppose to say it. He laughed and continued to absolve me. So there you go…
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Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and follow her teachings in all matters.

I would certainly refrain from going to confession to a priest that laughs during confession, unless of course, you have told him a funny joke.
 
lileli said:
I can agree with this statement. I just believe it is cruel to forbid people from falling in love and forming a union with another human being.
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Is it cruel to deny them marriage?
Is it cruel to deny them children via surrogacy?

Your basis for declaring something moral appears to that it is desired by a “normal” person.
 
Rau said:
Is it cruel to deny them marriage?
Is it cruel to deny them children via surrogacy?

Your basis for declaring something moral appears to that it is desired by a “normal” person.
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Yes and yes.
 
lileli said:
I am just trying to understand what you mean a gay couple can be together and just not have sex. So can they hold hands, cuddle, play fight, and kiss on the cheek? What is allowed?
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Why would someone engage in such things if it will not end in the possibility of marriage?

A kiss on the cheek is very common among friends. However, if someone finds it sexually stimulating then take note.

Play fight? 🤷
 
lax16 said:
Why would someone engage in such things if it will not end in the possibility of marriage?

A kiss on the cheek is very common among friends. However, if someone finds it sexually stimulating then take note.

Play fight? 🤷
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Ok so they can engage in anything that isn’t sexually stimulating and still be in love. Good to know there is a third way for the Church to welcome homosexual couples.
 
lileli said:
So you are saying if a man lives with another man and they cuddle all the time and love each other that is ok? Just as long as they don’t actually pleasure each other? Correct?
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I said “love” and you immediately think "physical intimacy. Is it ok for girlfriend and boyfriend to sexually “pleasure” each other?

As for cuddling, if for them that is companionship, then fine. If it is the first step to sexual intimacy, it is clearly not fine.
 
lileli said:
The episcopalian church has no issue with this because it fully recognizes the Eucharist of the Catholic Church. They are aware I am a Catholic who is testing the waters so to speak. I don’t believe I can ever leave the Catholic Church. I love the Church very much regardless of our disagreements 👍
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You love something you disagree with?
 
lileli said:
You see science is not dogmatic. When scientists realize they are in error THEY MUST change their view or allow for the new evidence to inform their views. I am not sure how th eating of poop has to do with this? Dogs have much quicker digestive systems therefore they don’t become ill as easily. Just because we are interrelated with animals doesnt mean we are exactly the same.
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You are the one who claimed we can determine normality by looking at animals.

Scientists don’t determine morality anymore than accountants do.
 
Rau said:
I said “love” and you immediately think "physical intimacy. Is it ok for girlfriend and boyfriend to sexually “pleasure” each other?

As for cuddling, if for them that is companionship, then fine. If it is the first step to sexual intimacy, it is clearly not fine.
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Not all physical intimacy leads to sex. So if a gay couple that doesnt engage in sex comes to church as Bf and Bf that should be completely fine right?
 
lileli said:
Ok so they can engage in anything that isn’t sexually stimulating and still be in love. Good to know there is a third way for the Church to welcome homosexual couples.
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We are all to follow the Catholic Church’s teaching on chastity.

Third way?
 
lileli said:
Ok So if a gay couple doesnt have sex then they can adopt?
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I believe the Church holds that in general, a mother and a father is likely to provide the more appropriate environment for a young child, and thus would be favoured over 2 men. If the men are gay, it would be reasonable to view them as presenting a moral hazard, by modeling wrong behaviour. Whether or not they are having sex would not be known reliably.
 
Rau said:
I believe the Church holds that in general, a mother and a father is likely to provide the more appropriate environment for a young child, and thus would be favoured over 2 men. If the men are gay, it would be reasonable to view them as presenting a moral hazard, by modeling wrong behaviour. Whether or not they are having sex would not be known reliably.
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Ah so the issue isn’t if they are having sex.
 
lileli said:
Not all physical intimacy leads to sex. So if a gay couple that doesnt engage in sex comes to church as Bf and Bf that should be completely fine right?
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I have seen it and they were not asked to leave. I have no idea if they have a sexual relationship and don’t care to know.
 
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