Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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Exiled_Child said:
I don’t think I completely understand the comparison. Public education is mandatory for all American children, whereas religion is entirely different.

Gay marriage in some form is going to happen in the U.S. no matter what. We all know that; it’s indisputable.
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Civil marriage equality is a must under the law. I am not saying that the Church needs to follow the same path even though that would be great:)
 
lileli said:
Civil marriage equality is a must under the law. I am not saying that the Church needs to follow the same path even though that would be great:)
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Well, it’s just a matter of time before it happens.

The Church won’t accept it, and then the Church will be attacked on those grounds.

I’m merely pointing out that this is the true reason gay marriage even became an issue in the first place.
 
Exiled_Child said:
Well, it’s just a matter of time before it happens.

The Church won’t accept it, and then the Church will be attacked on those grounds.

I’m merely pointing out that this is the true reason gay marriage is even an issue to begin with.
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Well it did happen in the USA. The Church will be attacked? Probably not. People know what they get with the Catholic Church.
 
lileli said:
Well it did happen in the USA. The Church will be attacked? Probably not. People know what they get with the Catholic Church.
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It will be characterized as a form of hate crime, and the Church will be constantly pilloried on those grounds.

Popular media has Americans by the throat, and media’s onslaught will be dishonest and merciless and without end.
 
Exiled_Child said:
It will be characterized as a form of hate crime, and the Church will be constantly pilloried on those grounds.

Popular media has Americans by the throat. Its onslaught will be dishonest and merciless and without end.
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I completely disagree. No evidence to prove that prediction.
 
lileli said:
I completely disagree. No evidence to prove that prediction.
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We clearly have very different ways of perceiving and understanding the information war we’re engulfed in.

“History” is written and mind’s are shaped as we sit back and watch.
 
Exiled_Child said:
We clearly have very different ways of perceiving and understanding the information war we’re engulfed in.

History is written and mind’s are shaped as we sit back and watch.
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The American Catholic Church is still in a crisis due to the abuse scandal. Our bishops stand tall like princes(My archbishop built himself a mansion) while we the people wonder how in the world can we take guidance from them? I do see a Church in crisis but it isn’t because of gay marriage, it is because it has forgotten to care for the poor, the weak, and those that society rejects. Pope Francis is a breath of fresh air and I hope he continues to reform the Church.
 
lileli said:
The American Catholic Church is still in a crisis due to the abuse scandal. Our bishops stand tall like princes(My archbishop built himself a mansion) while we the people wonder how in the world can we take guidance from them? I do see a Church in crisis but it isn’t because of gay marriage, it is because it has forgotten to care for the poor, the weak, and those that society rejects. Pope Francis is a breath of fresh air and I hope he continues to reform the Church.
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catholicnewsagency.com/news/wealthy_homosexual_activist_advises_active_measures_against_religious_opponents/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
 
lileli said:
A Church of men is a Church of men therefore can be in error. You have your truth and I have mine.
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But it is Christ’s Church. He told us so. That is the difference. So many people can’t fathom that he would choose us dirty sinners, yes that’s right, to preserve and promulgate His teachings. But he did. And it would make sense that he would enable them to be a sure norm. Your approach should be to find a Teaching you can’t accept and examine it for truth or error, not look at the fact that it is made up of sinners.
 
lileli said:
The American Catholic Church is still in a crisis due to the abuse scandal. Our bishops stand tall like princes(My archbishop built himself a mansion) while we the people wonder how in the world can we take guidance from them? I** do see a Church in crisis but it isn’t because of gay marriage, it is because it has forgotten to care for the poor, the weak, and those that society rejects**. Pope Francis is a breath of fresh air and I hope he continues to reform the Church.
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Really Lileli??

Your making a bit of a habit in making comments like this that are way off the mark…

There are plenty of Catholic groups backed by the church in the USA that greately assist the groups you metioned above.

If you are going to criticise the church, make sure it’s a legitimate criticism.
 
Louie1983 said:
Really Lileli??

Your making a bit of a habit in making comments like this that are way off the mark…

There are plenty of Catholic groups backed by the church in the USA that greately assist the groups you metioned above.

If you are going to criticise the church, make sure it’s a legitimate criticism.
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I obviously know this Louie, especially Catholic Nuns but I specifically talked about the leadership of the Church and nothing other groups/
 
lileli said:
If getting married through the courts, I would get married.
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:confused: huh? The “civil” institution you proposed for all was Civil Union (your post #889). I just asked if you would also proceed to marriage in the Church.
 
lileli said:
I obviously know this Louie, especially Catholic Nuns but I specifically talked about the leadership of the Church and nothing other groups/
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I know what your saying…

which is why I pointed it out. The church leadership is involved in this, I can think of plenty of bishops and cardinals who participate and encourage to help the poor and needy etc.
 
lileli said:
The American Catholic Church is still in a crisis due to the abuse scandal. Our bishops stand tall like princes(My archbishop built himself a mansion) while we the people wonder how in the world can we take guidance from them? I do see a Church in crisis but it isn’t because of gay marriage, it is because it has forgotten to care for the poor, the weak, and those that society rejects. Pope Francis is a breath of fresh air and I hope he continues to reform the Church.
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Nonsense. Archbishop Chaput addressed this falsity today::

*The Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable organizations in the world. Although it is difficult to quantify exactly what percentage of social services are rendered by the Church in the United States every year, a 2013 report by Forbes ranked Catholic Charities alone as No. 5 in the nation. And this doesn’t account for other Catholic charitable organizations, such as Christ in the City, St. Vincent de Paul societies and soup kitchens or other charities run by religious orders or local parishes. *

Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-chaput-other-moral-issues-not-equivalent-to-abortion/#ixzz3iYsV34NE
 
Rau said:
:confused: huh? The “civil” institution you proposed for all was Civil Union (your post #889). I just asked if you would also proceed to marriage in the Church.
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I don’t understand your question. If I am gay, I am not allowed to get married in the Church so that would not be an option.
 
lileli said:
I obviously know this Louie, especially Catholic Nuns but I specifically talked about the leadership of the Church and nothing other groups/
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Well if someone is looking for recognition, power, money, fame - they’d need to have their heads examined to be looking at Catholic leadership. There are a thousand easier places to obtain worldly status. Most of them must be in it for some other reason? If you have a specific “leader” or a specific cause in mind you should look into it and try to understand why that cause is not being supported. And then if you are Catholic then you should support it rather than point the finger at others.
 
Exiled_Child said:
It will be characterized as a form of hate crime, and the Church will be constantly pilloried on those grounds.

Popular media has Americans by the throat, and media’s onslaught will be dishonest and merciless and without end.
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Fundamentally, that’s right. One mainstream political party in Australia - the largest in fact - will make it obligatory for its parliamentary members to vote for SSM on the grounds that it is “an issue equivalent to racial discrimination”. If that is so, then surely Churches must be pilloried for rejecting it. If simply follows logically from the (flawed) premise.
 
lileli said:
The American Catholic Church is still in a crisis due to the abuse scandal. Our bishops stand tall like princes(My archbishop built himself a mansion) while we the people wonder how in the world can we take guidance from them? I do see a Church in crisis but it isn’t because of gay marriage, it is because it has forgotten to care for the poor, the weak, and those that society rejects. Pope Francis is a breath of fresh air and I hope he continues to reform the Church.
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He has things to fix - that’s for sure. But he has not changed one jot of teaching, and shows no wish to do so.
 
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