Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

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Rau said:
Fundamentally, that’s right. One mainstream political party in Australia - the largest in fact - will make it obligatory for its parliamentary members to vote for SSM on the grounds that it is “an issue equivalent to racial discrimination”. If that is so, then surely Churches must be pilloried for rejecting it. If simply follows logically from the (flawed) premise.
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Mate, all you have to do is look at the reaction every time A Bishop/Priest tries to defend Catholic teaching on this.

They are accused of inciting “Hatred” etc.

The Church in Australia recently issued a document to it’s schools titled “Don’t mess with Marriage”.

The response spoke for itself.
 
Rau said:
Fundamentally, that’s right. One mainstream political party in Australia - the largest in fact - will make it obligatory for its parliamentary members to vote for SSM on the grounds that it is “an issue equivalent to racial discrimination”. If that is so, then surely Churches must be pilloried for rejecting it. If simply follows logically from the (flawed) premise.
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I didn’t know that, Rau. It sounds like Australia’s even further along than we are here in the U.S.
 
Rau said:
He has things to fix - that’s for sure. But he has not changed one jot of teaching, and shows no wish to do so.
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I think Cardinal Pell of Australia describes him perfectly when he said “He is socially progressive, but doctrinally Orthodox”.
 
Louie1983 said:
Mate, all you have to do is look at the reaction every time A Bishop/Priest tries to defend Catholic teaching on this.

They are accused of inciting “Hatred” etc.

The Church in Australia recently issued a document to it’s schools titled “Don’t mess with Marriage”.

The response spoke for itself.
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Exactly. I’ve seen it and found it entirely reasonable.
 
I certainly haven’t read all these comments but can’t help wondering if any of you live in San Francisco – the “gays” have literally taken over one section of the city – a section where several of my friends grew up and went to the Catholic grammar school – the Archdiocese had to close the grammar school because there are no children in the area any more but I believe the Church is still open and has Mass on Sundays.
I certainly don’t want to go into some of the “goofy” things I’ve seen the “gays” do on public transportation – some of them would “blow” your mind.
 
lileli said:
I said if I was gay.
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When you said you didn’t understand my question, I couldn’t see how that could be, since it was plain enough. But if you were answering as a gay person, then yeah, my question (asking if you would marry in the Church) made no sense. Hence my conclusion. No worries.
 
estesbob said:
It would be a pretty inept god that would allow his people to live in error for over 4000 years
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All kinds of attitudes have existed among God’s people for that long (like the view that women are inferior) without God intervening. By your argument God is clearly inept and we should all close up shop and go home.

That’s just not a credible line of argument, in other words, coming from a Christian believer. If it proves anything, it proves atheism (or at least that the Judaeo-Christian tradition doesn’t come from God).

Edwin
 
BarbG said:
I certainly haven’t read all these comments but can’t help wondering if any of you live in San Francisco – the “gays” have literally taken over one section of the city – a section where several of my friends grew up and went to the Catholic grammar school – the Archdiocese had to close the grammar school because there are no children in the area any more but I believe the Church is still open and has Mass on Sundays.
I certainly don’t want to go into some of the “goofy” things I’ve seen the “gays” do on public transportation – some of them would “blow” your mind.
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I lived there for many years.

It’s a wild place; makes Seattle look like Mayberry.
 
livescience.com/51694-attitudes-toward-gays-lesbians-improving.html

**In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide, many gays and lesbians celebrated. A new study suggests another reason for the community to cheer: Subconscious attitudes toward lesbian and gay people are improving.

A quick glance at most public opinion polls reveals that explicit attitudes toward gays and lesbians have been on the upswing for some time. For example, more than half of Americans — 53 percent — told the Gallup organization that they supported same-sex marriage in 2011, up from 27 percent in 1996. Another Gallup poll found that moral approval of homosexuality rose from 44 percent in 2006 to 59 percent in 2013.

But were these attitude changes genuine, or were people just feeling less free to air their prejudices publicly? To find out, researchers turned to a measure of implicit, or subconscious, attitudes toward gays and lesbians. They found a 13.4 percent drop in subconscious bias toward those groups between 2006 and 2013.**

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The exciting thing about the new research, published July 23 in the open-access journal Collabra, is that cultural shifts on implicit attitudes just aren’t common, Westgate said. For example, the election of Barack Obama as president didn’t alter implicit racial attitudes at all, according to a 2010 study published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.
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But gays and lesbians may be a special case, Westgate said, because representation of these groups and their issues has increased across the media and in high-profile legal cases.
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"All of this may be accumulating into a larger sense of a cultural shift," she said.
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BarbG said:
I certainly haven’t read all these comments but can’t help wondering if any of you live in San Francisco – the “gays” have literally taken over one section of the city – a section where several of my friends grew up and went to the Catholic grammar school – the Archdiocese had to close the grammar school because there are no children in the area any more but I believe the Church is still open and has Mass on Sundays.
I certainly don’t want to go into some of the “goofy” things I’ve seen the “gays” do on public transportation – some of them would “blow” your mind.
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I have in fact lived in San Francisco and used public transportation on a daily basis. I have seen straight couples engage in the type of behavior you are suggesting far more often, including a straight couple that seemed to be engaging in sexual intercourse on the BART. Offended as I was, unlike you I did not view this as an indictment of the entire straight population in the Bay Area.
 
Sarah_B_Good said:
I have in fact lived in San Francisco and used public transportation on a daily basis. I have seen straight couples engage in the type of behavior you are suggesting far more often, including a straight couple that seemed to be engaging in sexual intercourse on the BART. Offended as I was, unlike you I did not view this as an indictment of the entire straight population in the Bay Area.
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Ah, but the couple you saw did not have an agenda…
 
estesbob said:
Whether homosexuals have been discriminated against, beaten, murdered etc. has no bearing whatsoever on the morality of homosexual behavior. Sinful behavior against those against those promoting sinful behavior does not mitigate either parties sin.
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I agree, but I would ask where is the condemnation of the sinful behavior of those who have engaged in discrimination and violence against gay people? I was born in Ireland where the gay rights movement started in the early 80s. In large part, it stemmed from the murder of a gay man by a group of thugs who admitted to targeting gay men for bashing. They killed a man and as punishment they received commuted sentences, served absolutely no time in prison and were practically praised by the judge who saw them as “cleaning up the area” and stated that what they did “could never be considered murder.”

That’s what a gay man’s life was worth in Ireland in the early 80s…NOTHING. And who stood up in protest to this callous disregard for a human life? The Catholic Church? Hardly. It was the gay community that began to take a stand and fight for their rights.

Thankfully, society has changed a great a deal since those times, but where would we be today if we had not been pushed and confronted by the gay community for greater tolerance and acceptance?
 
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