Why is voting for Biden a mortal sin?

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Soubirous1 said:
what does “if the state is a democratic one” mean? Republicans never make bad decisions?
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Democratic, not Democrat - as when the majority of the population supports abortion and are willingly paying for it. That is a much greater sin because it involves many individuals sinning rather than just two.
 
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oic. i thought sin was an individual thing. you know, each man judged according to his deeds. guess i was wrong.
 
Soubirous1 said:
oic. i thought sin was an individual thing. you know, each man judged according to his deeds. guess i was wrong.
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Well if your deeds include knowingly, voluntarily and materially enabling the sins of others, which may well in and of itself be a sin, why wouldnt you be judged for doing so?
 
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After careful reflection and prayer. I’m going to vote for Biden.

I believe with all of my heart and soul that abortion is an abomination. It’s murder. It’s also an extraordinarily complex issue with no hope for a middle ground.

With that said, I believe America will pay a huge price for the four years of trump. He is merely a useful tool for the Republican Party. As long as he cuts taxes and appoints young, ultra-conservative Federal Judges, they’ll put up with his foolishness.

The ends rarely justify the means. Trump is a horrible human being and he has been his entire life. It’s documented for all to see. He’s cheated on three wives, and cheated in his business dealings. Under Catholic belief, Trump is an adulterer. He cares nothing for kindness or compassion. Look at how he treats others. He lies and manipulates to serve his own purpose.

Christianity is taking a huge hit in following Trump. Christians should be a light to the world, not bring darkness. . . .

I firmly believe Trump is an existential threat to our way of life. He has shown zero interest in important issues like Healthcare, climate change, social security, medicare, and Medicaid. He says one thing one day and does another the next. He claims to be a populist yet appoints traditional Republicans to important domestic and foreign policy posts. He promised to drain the swamp but he is the ultimate swamp creature.

He utterly failed America with the Covid pandemic. He deliberately lied to and manipulated the American people throughout the pandemic. . . .

I’ve been a Catholic forum lurker for several years and have always enjoyed reading the passionate discussions. I decided to join the forum because I felt I have to speak up and say enough is enough.

I respect everyone’s opinion and believe we all have to form our own conscience with regard to our vote. I’m just tired of my fellow Catholics telling me that I have to vote for someone who has zero leadership qualities and very little respect for his fellow human beings… . . He offers our nation nothing other than divisiveness and despair.

I believe Biden is a flawed but decent man. He wouldn’t be my first choice but he’s heads and shoulders sharper than the current occupant of the White House.

God bless everyone!
 
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pallen38 said:
This is a disgusting and disingenuous response
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The is the morsel of truth that we all answer to God for our actions. At least that poster acknowledged that Jesus is the judge, unlike a lot of people who think they should sit on the throne of judgement.
 
Boomster1 said:
I believe with all of my heart and soul that abortion is an abomination. It’s murder.
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–So why would you vote for a man who boasts of his 100% approval rating from NARAL?
Boomster1 said:
He is merely a useful tool for the Republican Party.
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–Respectfully, Trump has never been a “tool” of the Republicans; the old-line, traditional Republicans like Romney & the Bushes who really run the GOP despise Trump, in large part because he’s committed to returning power to the people and away from the entrenched “elite” of both parties. You may hate him, but Trump is no one’s “tool,” and that’s why the traditional party leaders dislike him: they can’t control him.
Boomster1 said:
Trump is a horrible human being and he has been his entire life. It’s documented for all to see.
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–What’s “documented” is that Trump has been universally loved by the people who worked in his organizations. I’d be careful calling anyone you don’t know personally a “horrible human being.”
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He has shown zero interest in important issues like Healthcare, climate change, social security, medicare, and Medicaid.
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–Many people think “climate change” is claptrap. He’s shown a LOT of interest in things like border security; the economy; and appointing conservative federal judges (this last is statistically a huge issue for most of his supporters).
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He utterly failed America with the Covid pandemic.
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–He wanted to close off China in February - Biden screamed he was xenophobic.
Boomster1 said:
I believe Biden is a flawed but decent man.
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–Biden’s alleged “decency” is fictitious. “Decent men” don’t get denied communion; get a 100% approval rating from NARAL; shamelessly plagarize other leaders’ speeches, etc.

BTW, you call Trump the “ultimate swamp dweller.” Uh, NO, Trump has never lived in Washigton, nor worked there, before becoming president. If you want the “ultimate swamp dweller,” how about a man who’s spent nearly 50 years in the senate, enriching himself and his family (you’re not supposed to become a multimillionaire working in government).

BIG PICTURE: If you want to vote for Biden, no one can stop you - but, respectfully, your factual bases for doing so are essentially completely incorrect.

EDITING TO ADD: Lost in any analysis by you is the reality that Biden appears to have a serious cognitive decline. Why would anyone want to vote for someone who is in those straits? None of Biden’s backers ever seem to consider what a Kamala Harris presidency would entail (except that maybe she’d brand the Knights of Columbus a domestic terror group?!)
 
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– Because there are larger things at play here. If you could tell me that voting for Trump would extinguish legalized abortion from our land once and for all, I’d probably have to weigh that. I’m an attorney so I have my own thoughts on how this will play out with the Supreme Court.
–Respectfully right back, Trump is a tool of the Republicans. He is a con man and a grifter. His con is to get others to think that he alone is capable of returning greatness to America. He is his own tool! Traditional Republicans like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and others in the Senate have made their peace with the devil. They have been ramrodding through Trump’s nominees for the federal bench for the last four years. Additionally, I’ve seen no evidence of Trump returning any power to the people. He’s an elite just like the others. Romney and the Bushes despise Trump because he is a despicable human being.

–Closing China off wasn’t “real action”. It was a nothing burger. Trump knew it. Trump is an expert at saying a lot and doing nothing. He took no action to protect this country. In February, he was well aware of the risk Covid-19 posed to America. He did nothing expect obfuscate, manipulate the data, and work against the CDC and other medical experts. I’m not making this up. The media isn’t making this up. Trump absolutely failed America in our moment of need. I’m not sure why Trump voters just stick there head in the sand so much.

–Trump is a swamp dweller. You don’t need to live or work in D.C. to be a denizen of the swamp. I’ll say it again, he is a con man and a grifter. He installed his daughter and his son-in-law into White House roles for which neither is remotely qualified. Trump Hotels continue to bask in revenue when the Secret Service and others connected to our government stay at the hotels. The evidence is clear. People around the globe are laughing at America now. They cringe and wince at the thought of who is in charge of the most powerful country in the world.

–We could spend a week discussing Trump’s broken promises to the American people. Healthcare was supposed to be easy to fix. North Korea would be nuclear-free. He always has the greatest plan in history for everything that ails America. He’s the greatest negotiator. He can bend people to his will because of this “great brain”.
Again, grown men and women don’t speak like this. Trump took advantage of our broken political system and conned his way into the position. America and the world are suffering as a result.

–Few people who knew or associated with Joe Biden during his life have described him as anything but decent. Of course, he has flaws, we all do.
–Yes, Biden has already spent decades in D.C. No doubt about it. Our system is broken. Trump had four years to change the broken system. He has made zero-zilch-nada inroads because he doesn’t care one way or the other about the broken system. Trump is all about Trump.
 
Final thoughts because above-post exceeds character limits:

–You’re right, I’m free to vote for Biden just as you are free to vote for Trump. My analysis is fact-based and accurate. I could spend all day writing about Trump’s lies and cons but I want to spend the day outside. I’m not making this stuff up. I see it, you see it, America and the world see it. Some people just want to spin the ugly facts about Trump into a nice little tale of a gentle, humble, god-fearing man who is sent by God to restore America’s greatness.

–Biden is an elderly man, no doubt about it. Trump isn’t too far behind. Biden is far more articulate than Trump is. Just listen to them speak. Trump rambles on about how fundamentally unfair the world is to Trump while Biden discusses the issues.

Bottom line: I wish a sane, moderate, honest, decent Republican was running for president. I also wish that a pro-life Democrat was running.

Trump had four years to prove to the American people that he cared about America. Instead, he surrounded himself with Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and other far-right extremists.
 
I want to thank you for plainly expressing what I’ve been tiptoeing around in this thread, since I’m not always as articulate or skilled at arguing as I’d like to be. Once we get past the demonstrably false assertion that voting for Biden is a mortal sin, then we can look at the character, the goals and the record of each candidate.
 
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I sincerely hope and pray that you experience peace @TheQuietTrad . We do have choices here in the U.S., and each of us who vote must carefully decide. I maintain that we must vote based not only on the issues, which I believe are often more complicated than we wish they might be, but also on the candidates themselves, their basic moral compass and their fitness for office.
 
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Soubirous1 said:
oic. i thought sin was an individual thing. you know, each man judged according to his deeds. guess i was wrong.
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Correct. Each person supporting abortion and aiding its proliferation will be judged for doing so. The democracy is made up of individuals who will each be judged. Being part of a group does not immunize you from being morally accountable.

If only one person was committing genocide that would be a different level of sin and evil than if a whole nation is so engaged.
 
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genocide would be impossible for 1 person to carry out. makes no sense. if 10,000 people are involved, i believe God would still judge each individual separately. some may repent. how many died because Trump “didn’t want to cause a panic” over Covid 19?
 
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