Why Muslims not eat Pork?

[Myangel]

Faith101:

awww, thanks

:tiphat: Your most welcome!

 

[LilyM]

Faith101:

I totally agree…and that is why i’m not bashing Christians for eating pork.

I guess im not being that clear with what i am trying to say…but its ok…i’m too tired to repeat

It’s OK faith, I think I get the gist of what you’re saying You find it odd that we have all these rules in the old Testament of our Bible that we don’t follow?

 

[Petergee]

davy39:

I believe the Seventh-Day Adventists don’t believe in eating pork. I know from experience, but that’s another story.

They don’t single out pork. They don’t eat any kind of meat, fish or poultry at all.

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

Its in the Old Testament. Do you have doubt that the OT is from God?

This has been explained ad nauseam!

Do you believe that God prohibited drinking alcohol little by little?So do we believe that God in the NT declared ALL FOODS CLEAN! The OT ended with the coming of the NT!

 

[zingo227]

from military history…

snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

Once in US history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so “Black Jack” told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The US soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

and from news articles today…

westernresistance.com/blog/archives/000663.html

What is it about pigs in Britain right now? We have council offices banning images of pigs, which had caused such controversy that the ban may be lifted. We have had banks banning images of piggy banks in their outlets and advertising, because they “might” offend Muslim customers. What is next? Schools!

The BBC earlier reported that in West Yorkshire, a head teacher has proclaimed a veto on the telling of stories that feature pigs. So, no more tales of the “Three Little Pigs”, no “Winnie the Pooh” stories, because they feature Piglet, no Beatrix Potter’s Pigling Bland", no nursery rhymes along the lines of “This Little Piggy Went to Market”.

 

[Franze]

Muslims seem not to understand that there are jewish practised put in OT, that we don´t follow because they were supressed by God, in the NT like the possibility of divorce in OT but not in New, or that all food are pure and good in the NT
I think that it´s very simple.

 

[Booklover]

zingo227:

from military history…

snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

Once in US history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so “Black Jack” told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The US soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs’ blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

and from news articles today…

westernresistance.com/blog/archives/000663.html

What is it about pigs in Britain right now? We have council offices banning images of pigs, which had caused such controversy that the ban may be lifted. We have had banks banning images of piggy banks in their outlets and advertising, because they “might” offend Muslim customers. What is next? Schools!

The BBC earlier reported that in West Yorkshire, a head teacher has proclaimed a veto on the telling of stories that feature pigs. So, no more tales of the “Three Little Pigs”, no “Winnie the Pooh” stories, because they feature Piglet, no Beatrix Potter’s Pigling Bland", no nursery rhymes along the lines of “This Little Piggy Went to Market”.

It’s ridiculous, isn’t it! Sounds to me like they’re on the way to dhimmitude! I sometimes wonder if Europe has learned anything at all after two world wars! They rid themselves of the Nazis and now after all they went through, they’re caving in to all the bullying by Islam! All I can say is, shame on them! I remember reading an article entitled “Europe, Thy Name is Cowardice”, and it sure is appropriate!

Here’s the link:
faithfreedom.org/oped/MathiasDoepfner50823.htm
Vickie

 

[Georgess]

Just a little musing here …

We know from ‘pagan’ cultures such as existed in Egypt at the time of the Exodus , that animals were worshipped and this probably go all the way back to the lie in the garden and the Fall when Adam and Eve gave more weight to what came out of the mouth of an animal …!

It is likely that animals were used as part of many pagan forms of worship ; we read in the New Testament, when The Lord exorcise the Gerasene demoniac, how the legion of evil spirits ask to be allowed to go into the pigs who then jump off the cliff !
Again , in The Book of Acts we are cautioned about meat sacrificed to idols …

Is it likely that the ‘uncleanness’ that existed , before the coming of The Lord ( and the Finger of God casting out powers of evil ) had somethig to do with matters that were not purely physical and might explain the trepidation that still exist among the Jews and Moslems !
There could be some grain of truth
to their concerns …We as Christians beleive that The Coming of The Lord and the Power of The Holy Spirit truly touches and sanctifies…matter, and mind as well as soul … and that foods no longer defile us - we are being given back The Kingdom authority again - that existed before The Fall, when we ruled over animals !

 

[murtad]

LilyM:

I love pigs … especially in the form of smoked bacon mmmmmm

I will make known to you that Lord Jesus condemned the false interpretations of Torah (Old Testament) by Pharisees and he called the Babylonian Talmud as “Gospel of Satan”. He did not condemn the Torah itself, the word’s of God the Father.

In the Law of Moses (Torah) you can see in Lev.11, verses 6 to 8:

[6] And the hare, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you.
[7] And the swine, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.
[8] Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you.

The authoratative interpretation of the above Torah verses is found in the Gospel of God as you can see what St Matthew says in chapter 7, verse 6:

[6] "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.

Now, the Lord Jesus taught us that a swine mentioned in Law of Moses does not refer to a real swine but to a spiritual one. He told us eating a real swine is perfectly kosher while called the Pharisees swine and their teachings’ the flesh of swine.

Who are the modern day Pharisees?
My answer: Islam

What is the modern day flesh of swine?
My answer: Quran and Hadith

Do you agree? Do you know any Christian commentator in the last 2,000 years who agrees with me? What about Muslims on this forum, do you people agree with me?

 

[murtad]

Faith101:

The OT is from God, right?

You are correct to say the Old Testament (which comprises of Torah, Prophets and Psalms) is from God.

Faith101:

So God says “dont do it b/c its unclean” not b/c the pigs will drink all your water. I think if that is what is meant, that is what God would have said.

God in also said camel and rabbit flesh is unclean, so why do Muslims eat camel and rabbit flesh? Hypocrisy? What you think is immaterial, it is how to properly interpret Torah that matters!

Faith101:

So the reason, that you and I must accept b/c its written in both our Holy books, is that God said no for the simple reason that they are unclean for us to eat

Can you define for us what you mean by “unclean” ? Do you even know what OT and NT are? OT is like Quran and NT is like Hadith. NT is the authorative interpretations of OT. We Christians accept both Old Testament and New Testament, just as Muslims accept both Quran and Hadith.

Faith101:

(i understand that you beleive Jesus abrogated that later, but still, you believe it was originally divine guidance)

I will make known to you that Lord Jesus condemned the false interpretations of Torah by Pharisees and he called the Quran as “Gospel of Satan”. He did not condemn the Torah itself, the word’s of God the Father.

In the Law of Moses (Torah) you can see in Lev.11, verses 6 to 8:

[6] And the hare, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you.
[7] And the swine, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.
[8] Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you.

The authoratative interpretation of the above Torah verses is found in the Gospel of God as you can see what St Matthew says in chapter 7, verse 6:

[6] "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.

Now, the Lord Jesus taught us that a swine mentioned in Law of Moses does not refer to a real swine but to a spiritual one. He told us eating a real swine is perfectly kosher while called the Pharisees swine and their teachings’ the flesh of swine.

Who are the modern day Pharisees?
My answer: Islam

What is the modern day flesh of swine?
My answer: Quran and Hadith

I conclude the teachings of Islam are lies that are so poisonous, which we call flesh of swine.

Feel free to tell me your reaction. Are you offended? Can you now see Torah is not abolished or aborogated but rather Lord Jesus chose to give the proper interpretation, striking down the Babylonian Talmud, Holy book of Judaism, which he refered to as Gospel of Satan and ordered it to be burnt in fire. This is why Christian civil rulers ordered Judaism’s Talmud and its derivative the Quran to be burnt during the Holy Iniquisions in Spain.

 

[murtad]

gurrato alaien:

The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.

Despite your calling it so Quran is not a “Holy” book for Lord Jesus called it the flesh of swine and condemned Pharisees (ie Islamists) as swine.
gurrato alaien:

2. Pork prohibited in the Bible

Do you know what Bible is? Old Testament is written Law (aka Constitution), while New Testament is common Law. There is nowhere pork is prohibited in Bible, it is your delusion that makes you think so.
gurrato alaien:

The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

A Christian will never be convinced when a lying Pharisee misquotes religious scriptures, especially the book of Leviticus. Now, the Lord Jesus refered to such Pharisees’ by the word “swine” and He called their teachings by the words “flesh of swine”.
gurrato alaien:

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.

You are fond at quoting Torah, yet like your forefathers’ the Pharisees you misinterpret Torah verses. I challenge you to tell us what do you mean by words “the swine” and “he is unclean to you”?
gurrato alaien:

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.”[Leviticus 11:7-8]

Quoting from the Scriptures means nothing, especially if you do not tell us what do you mean by “Of their flesh shall ye not eat…”? Now, the Catholic understanding of this verse is your postings on this forum refer to “flesh of swine”. Thus, I am forbidden to believe you.
gurrato alaien:

1. Consumption of pork causes several diseases

Consumption of beef causes several diseases. The most recent one is mad cow disease. So, why has the Law of Moses not forbidden beef? No, sir, you are misinterpreting Torah and Lord Jesus called such misinterpretation – the flesh of swine.
gurrato alaien:

The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

You need to tell us which “pig” are you talking about? Is it Muslims? The Law of Moses speaks about this “pig”, we call today, Muslims and forbids us to “eat their flesh”, we call today Quran and Hadith.
gurrato alaien:

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth.

I agree with you that Muslims are the most shameless animal on the face of the earth as they believe in a lie, Quran and Hadith.

 

[murtad]

Booklover:

Do you believe that God prohibited drinking alcohol little by little?So do we believe that God in the NT declared ALL FOODS CLEAN! The OT ended with the coming of the NT!

Catholic faith does not teach OT ended, rather it teaches NT is the correct explaination (aka fulfilment) of the Torah, Prophets and Psalms. The Babylonian Talmud, the basis of Quran is what Lord Jesus condemned as flesh of swine.

Now, we have two types of Christians as my patron saint, Augustine, Bishop of Hippo says. Those of Esav like Pro_Universal (who follows Quran) and those of Jacob like me (who does not follow Quran). He, Pro_Universal consumes “flesh of swine”, while I do not.

 

[Faith101]

Franze:

Muslims seem not to understand that there are jewish practised put in OT, that we don´t follow because they were supressed by God, in the NT like the possibility of divorce in OT but not in New, or that all food are pure and good in the NT
I think that it´s very simple.

You are not understanding the point of view presented here.

You eat pork because the NT tells you its Ok, thats fine. But what is NOT fine, is to say that “the prohibition of pork was due to …” and list some silly reason,when the OT, which was revealed by GOD, listed the reason clearly "they are unclean". THe same reason, by the way, that is listed in the Quran.

Follow the NT, but dont deny whats in the OT…unless you doubt it was revealed by God, as some posters here have hinted.

 

[murtad]

Faith101:

You are not understanding the point of view presented here.

It is not we, Christians who are not understanding you, rather it is you who is deliberately not wanting to understand us

Faith101:

You eat pork because the NT tells you its Ok, thats fine.

No, you got it wrong. The OT also allows eating pork and that is why Catholic Church teaches that pork is clean. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Faith101:

But what is NOT fine, is to say that “the prohibition of pork was due to …” and list some silly reason,

There was no prohibition of pork in the OT. The Jews had misinterpreted some verses in the OT and did not know what “swine” God was talking about.

Faith101:

when the OT, which was revealed by GOD, listed the reason clearly "they are unclean". THe same reason, by the way, that is listed in the Quran.

No doubt God revealed the OT and God revealed a verse that stated: “they are unclean”. Now, tell us what you mean by “they are unclean”? Who is “they”?

According to Christian interpretation, “they” refers to Pharisee-type people and their teachings are called “flesh of swine”. A good example of “flesh of swine” is Quran and Hadith.

Quran may list anything but the REAL POINT HERE is how do you interpret verses in the Quran? Some Muslims (especially Quran-only Muslims) do believe eating pork is not a crime for the flesh of swine mentioned in Quran refers to the teachings of the Ahl-ul-Sunnah-Waal-Jamaah (ie. Sunni Muslims) not to the real swine. You see Quran like Old Testament can be interpreted in many ways.

Faith101:

Follow the NT, but dont deny whats in the OT…unless you doubt it was revealed by God, as some posters here have hinted.

You are advised to think first before you talk as you talk lots of rubbish! We do not deny what is in the Old Testament and we believe in the Constitution of God that may interpreted only through the lense of the New Testament, which is Common Law set by the Great Judge, the Lord Jesus the Messiah of Israel.

In fact, those verses of the Old Testament you are fond of quoting never say eating flesh of swine is wrong. Its just your misinterpretation, just as the Jewish Pharisees misinterpreted the Old Testament. Lord Jesus told these Pharisees that it is they who were the swine that Moses spoke of and it is their teachings, which were the flesh of swine that Moses forbade to eat.

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

You are not understanding the point of view presented here.

You eat pork because the NT tells you its Ok, thats fine. But what is NOT fine, is to say that “the prohibition of pork was due to …” and list some silly reason,when the OT, which was revealed by GOD, listed the reason clearly "they are unclean". THe same reason, by the way, that is listed in the Quran.

Follow the NT, but dont deny whats in the OT…unless you doubt it was revealed by God, as some posters here have hinted.

no Faith, we do not doubt that the OT is inspired by God but it is not the same way you consider Quran from Allah…the OT is a very lenghthy book of faith and history , of how people thought God is and how they understood Him…but Jesus made clear that they do not understand their scriptures otherwise they wouldn’t have rejected Jesus…and since Jesus said that it is not what you eat that defiles you but what comes out of your mouth, then this is what we follow. and sincerly, i dont think God, the creator of this universe, cares if we eat pork or not.

 

[Faith101]

Murtad

Your views are so full of hatred, i cant see past that. If you turn it down a notch, perhaps we can have a real discussion.

 

[Faith101]

LilyM:

It’s OK faith, I think I get the gist of what you’re saying You find it odd that we have all these rules in the old Testament of our Bible that we don’t follow?

Hey LilyM

its not that Its just that if God said dont eat the flesh of swine b/c its unclean…who are we to be like “God prohibited it because…” and state a completly different reason then the one God already provided. The fac that Christians eat pork has nothing to do with the point that i’m trying to make.

Its not a big deal…it only came up b/c of the “the children of israel werent allowed to eat pork b/c they drank too much water, and thats why the arabs dont eat pork…b/c water is scarce”

its a minor point that was only elongated when no one understood what i was saying, and we just kept going back and forth.

 

[Faith101]

God is only interest in what is in our heart, not what we eat.

Its a little bit different in Islam, because Islam is a way of life. So it encompasses both the faith in our hearts as well as all aspects of our lives (social, political, economical). Through the messenger, Allah teaches us how we should eat…even how we should go to the bathroom. It seems like such a minor point to worry about…but when one submits to God, he/she submits his whole self…and everything that pertains to that self.

 

[Emad]

Faith101:

Its a little bit different in Islam, because Islam is a way of life. So it encompasses both the faith in our hearts as well as all aspects of our lives (social, political, economical). Through the messenger, Allah teaches us how we should eat…even how we should go to the bathroom. It seems like such a minor point to worry about…but when one submits to God, he/she submits his whole self…and everything that pertains to that self.

Also everything you do effects your heart. So if you fornicate, it effects your heart, if you lie it effects your heart, if you don’t obey God it effects your heart, if you do whatever you want it effects your heart. So in Islam Allah only cares about what is in our hearts too, but there is a way of getting our hearts the way He wants them, by doing what He commands and staying away from what He prohibits.

You can’t beat your wife and say she only cares about what is in my heart. Whatever is in the heart is expressed by action. If you love your wife in your heart, you should prove it by listening to her. (this is just an example, please no one focus on the example itself, just the point being made).

 

[Muslim]

and if you eat too much bacon it clogs up your heart