Why the lack of Tridentine Mass?

[bear06]

Of course it isn’t! Liturgical dance, gay masses, panreligious ceremomies are the healthy way to go, right?

T, this line of arguing drives me nuts. How many times do I have to hear “The libs are getting away with it, how come the conservatives don’t get to?” Disobedience is disobedience. We should shun both sides of the coin!!!

 

[bear06]

bear06:

T, this line of arguing drives me nuts. How many times do I have to hear “The libs are getting away with it, how come the conservatives don’t get to?” Disobedience is disobedience. We should shun both sides of the coin!!!

This is very similar to when I punish one of my kids for doing something wrong and they turn around and say “Well so and so did this.” It has nothing to do with the fact that that specific child is being disobedient.

 

[TNT]

itsjustdave1988:

Ya know … I’ve never had a “poor” Pauline Mass experience … ever. I’m in the military and move around quite a bit, so I’ve belonged to many different parishes in the US and overseas, and I’ve never seen the abuses that traditionalists want us to think are in just about 90+% of all the parishes in the world.

Just blessed, I guess. Or perhaps, there’s been a bit of exaggeration in traditionalist attempts to “market” the TLM … hmmmmm?

I would guess that you have a “catholic instinct” and sub- or consciously avoid wizbang looking parishes. I can “smell” a likely abusive liturgy just by looking at the outside, then the inside of a church, reading the bulletin etc… There is a thread about “23 ways to to discern a faithful parish”. Many of those 23 are outward signs that a faithful catholic rightly holds in suspicion, even sub-consciously.
This type of catholic has the odds in his favor of attending only abuseless mass parishes.
In other words, you may not be a valid example of your point.

 

[TNT]

bear06:

This is very similar to when I punish one of my kids …

And I’m begining to feel like one of’m…

Woops……there.
Gotta love the mama Bear, and do NOT drive her crazier…no…no.

BTW:
Is JPII being disobedient when he sponsors panreligious cermonies, inculturated tribal masses? If so, to whom?

These churches are merely following the leader. That is their defense. And I submit to it.

 

[bear06]

TNT:

And I’m begining to feel like one of’m…

Woops……there.
Gotta love the mama Bear, and do NOT drive her crazier…no…no.

Hopefully you’ll respond as they do when I point out their errors.

Off topic but please pray for the success of our Walk for Life here. I’ve been a prolife activist for years and I can tell you that we’ve got the most bizarre pro-aborts around who will be out in full force tomorrow! The newcomers don’t seem to think we’ll have any problems with them. Unfortunately, I’m sure they’ll be baptized by fire!

 

[bear06]

By the way, that’s the 1st Annual Walk for Life in SAN FRANCISCO!

 

[TNT]

INRI:

…To all forum readers: … By making too sudden of a change, you risk losing some souls forever, just as what happened in 1970 caused some people to become irretrievably schismatic. Imagine the plight of orthodox, faithful bishops put in charge of problematic dioceses (think Archbishop Dolan in Milwaukee). If he were to suddenly do everything we on this forum would probably want, he would get a huge problem on his hands.
2) I don’t think Paul VI intended to shock the church with his liturgical reforms, it just turned out that way (of course, NO ONE gave him any warning…just a surprise) from people who were acting “in the spirit of Vatican II”.
3) I don’t think I was arguing in favor of any liturgical abuses.

And you only said that a Trad getto mentality bothered you. I simply compared it to what bothers the trads.SACRILIGIOUS ABUSE…
Yur one of my best defenders… Stick around

 

[TNT]

bear06:

Hopefully you’ll respond as they do when I point out their errors. (My Dad told me it was genetic)

Off topic but please pray for the success of our Walk for Life here. I’ve been a prolife activist for years and I can tell you that we’ve got the most bizarre pro-aborts around who will be out in full force tomorrow! The newcomers don’t seem to think we’ll have any problems with them. Unfortunately, I’m sure they’ll be baptized by fire!

In Dallas we use full police escort conplete with street closure… a parade license, and they never leave our side… all are catholic volunteer Dallas, Richardson and Irving police…once in while a couple of Tx Rangers…Nice to kinow that the proaborts know.

 

[TNT]

bear06:

By the way, that’s the 1st Annual Walk for Life in SAN FRANCISCO!

O my dear Lord…! You’re in San Francisco …
I hereby absolve you of all transgressions, past, present and future. You know of course that SF is the NT Sodom. I heard it on the radio.
I’m not sure prayer works for SF. but I’m fixin to find out.

 

[bear06]

TNT:

O my dear Lord…! You’re in San Francisco …
I hereby absolve you of all transgressions, past, present and future. You know of course that SF is the NT Sodom. I heard it on the radio.
I’m not sure prayer works for SF. but I’m fixin to find out.

I don’t actually live in SF. I live about 50 miles east. I never go there but unfortunately this is where the powers that be chose to hold this. It’s kind of funny considering the City just declared it self a pro-abortion city.

 

[TNT]

bear06:

I don’t actually live in SF. I live about 50 miles east. I never go there but unfortunately this is where the powers that be chose to hold this. It’s kind of funny considering the City just declared it self a pro-abortion city.

Please don’t say you live in Gomorrha which was 50 east of Sodom!
Well, maybe it’s prophetic that it gets more and more difficult for a woman in SF to get pregnant…durth of willing partners.
ps my winky broke. I’m asking for credit…1 winky due mama Bear.
signed TNT

pps. Do you thank God each day for a rad trad with a comtaminated sense of humor?
…Well, you should.

 

[MrS]

bear06:

I don’t actually live in SF. I live about 50 miles east. I never go there but unfortunately this is where the powers that be chose to hold this. It’s kind of funny considering the City just declared it self a pro-abortion city.

Can we pray that those who oppose a walk for life do so 50 miles west ??

 

[TNT]

MrS:

Can we pray that those who oppose a walk for life do so 50 miles west ??

While Michael Savage is out there on his boat trollin for liberals.

 

[bear06]

TNT:

Please don’t say you live in Gomorrha which was 50 east of Sodom!
Well, maybe it’s prophetic that it gets more and more difficult for a woman in SF to get pregnant…durth of willing partners.
ps my winky broke. I’m asking for credit…1 winky due mama Bear.
signed TNT

pps. Do you thank God each day for a rad trad with a comtaminated sense of humor?
…Well, you should.

I thank God for anyone who knows how to use sarcasm! It’s a language that transcends all denominations. (That was a joke. No flames please!)

 

[Kielbasi]

I don’t know how far you are from Pittsburgh, but St. Boniface’s is a great place to attend the TLM:

pittsburghlatinmass.org

I just attended my first ever TLM there two weeks ago. It was absolutely wonderful! I highly recommend it!

St. Boniface is a church in a very odd location, adjacent to a very large and noisy superhighway, in an immediate neighborhood with less than 50 homes , most of those folks probably aren’t Catholic although I never took a religious census there, the few people I did know were German Lutherans living in wood shacks clinging to the edge of Spring Hill.

The diocese couldn’t have picked a less suitable location, and that’s the problem with the entire TLM issue. Its something which has been designed to fail.

 

[TNT]

bear06:

I thank God for anyone who knows how to use sarcasm! It’s a language that transcends all denominations. (That was a joke. No flames please!)

Who would know better? Not even the pope trumps you on this.

ps… my flame thrower is also broke.

I owe mama Bear 2 winkys…do you accept 2 for 1 winky?
Signed
TNT
(I may be getting in over my ability to repay)
Now, I must resume Crusade VI on the Lord’s adversaries…Hi Ho Silver…AWAY.

 

[MrS]

TNT:

Who would know better? Not even the pope trumps you on this.

ps… my flame thrower is also broke.

I owe mama Bear 2 winkys…do you accept 2 for 1 winky?
Signed
TNT
(I may be getting in over my ability to repay)
Now, I must resume Crusade VI on the Lord’s adversaries…Hi Ho Silver…AWAY.

You can borrow mine for a minute.
Give it back with a full tank. …
oh, sorry, that’s what I tell my boys if they borrow the car http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_6_1.gif

 

[TNT]

Kielbasi:

St. Boniface is a church in a very odd location, adjacent to a very large and noisy superhighway, in an immediate neighborhood with less than 50 homes , most of those folks probably aren’t Catholic although I never took a religious census there, the few people I did know were German Lutherans living in wood shacks clinging to the edge of Spring Hill.

The diocese couldn’t have picked a less suitable location, and that’s the problem with the entire TLM issue. Its something which has been designed to fail.

I believe it’s in the North Side area. Unpaved parking lot. Yes I’ve attended. Marvelous inside. It had been scheduled for condemnation by the Hwy dept. The historical society took them (whoever) to court and won. That’s why the hwy is so close. It was not intended to survive there.
When I attended, it was standing room only, all veiled ladies, and chartered buses from Mich. OH, WV, NY, Central Pa. We came early and got a place right front.
I grew up at Holy Innocents parish in Sheriden. They have a Gorgeous Gothic Church. A pic of it is hanging in my hallway along with a dozen other historic beauties. I collect them.
ps I'll assume you're a pollock.

 

[Kielbasi]

Yes I’ve attended. Marvelous inside.

I attended at St. Boniface as well, in 1964 for a requiem. But at that time, of course, there were hundreds of homes and businesses surrounding the church and a streetcar line which ran to West View in front. I don’t remember too much what it was like then, and its sort of hazy at this point in time although I remember my dad getting a parking space directly across the street.

I’ve never thought of going inside there nowadays, its too darn depressing, in a ghost of a neighborhood, so unless someone I know dies and is buried there, I couldn’t see ever entering the place.

It had been scheduled for condemnation by the Hwy dept. The historical society took them (whoever) to court and won. That’s why the hwy is so close. It was not intended to survive there.

That is pretty much true. But the rest of the story is that there was another church, old St. Mary’s, which was also slated to be razed by the same highway project. St. Mary’s also survived the wrecking ball, but not eventual diocesan closure. Its now open as a banquet hall.

But the odd thing is that unlike St. Boniface, St. Mary’s is still in a viable neighborhood. It would have made much more pastoral sense to keep it open instead of St. Boniface’s in a ghost town for the latin mass.

 

[mgy100]

Yeah, the neighborhood is depressing, but that doesn’t make the church depressing. It isn’t hard to get to, bam, hazlett st. exit, turn right and you are there I don’t judge a church by its parking lot. St. Boniface is the diocese’s worship center, and has the no in vietnemese as well.