Why We Need the New Lynching Memorial

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Jump4Joy said:
Lynchings in the South are a large part of the African American experience.
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Not exactly. They were an aspect. The numbers are very small. In my southern state Whites were lynched too. I don’t think you’d say that was part of the White experience. If so why not?

In a sense. I don’t think lynchings were mostly about race though. They were about crimes and mob justice, which is precisely why you’ll find Whites were also lynched even in southern states.
 
Pardon me, but what kind of comment is this? What do you mean Whites were lynched too so the current memorial is racist? Are you aware of the mass lynching of Blacks in the U.S.? This is a grave blot on our nation’s history. Of course we need such a memorial.
 
Not ludicrous if you follow the logic.
meltzerboy2 said:
Pardon me, but what kind of comment is this? What do you mean Whites were lynched too so the current memorial is racist?
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As explained, several times, when you devout something to an entire race that is racist, right? Ergo this memorial, by devoting something to an entire race, is racist.
 
exnihilo said:
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Jump4Joy:
Lynchings in the South are a large part of the African American experience.
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Not exactly. They were an aspect. The numbers are very small. In my southern state Whites were lynched too. I don’t think you’d say that was part of the White experience. If so why not?

In a sense. I don’t think lynchings were mostly about race though. They were about crimes and mob justice, which is precisely why you’ll find Whites were also lynched even in southern states.
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This is abhorrent. All of this! Yes, lynching is a major part of the African American experience.

Yes, these crimes were about race. All about race. There were no trials. No presentation of evidence. No guilty verdict. These were extrajudicial killings. They were assumed guilty because of what they looked like. Because of the color of their skin.

It defies logic that you are so willfully misinformed about this issue!
 
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mrsdizzyd said:
This is abhorrent. All of this! Yes, lynching is a major part of the African American experience.

Yes, these crimes were about race. All about race. There were no trials. No presentation of evidence. No guilty verdict. These were extrajudicial killings. They were assumed guilty because of what they looked like. Because of the color of their skin.

It defines logical that you are so willfully misinformed about this issue!
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So the Whites who were also lynched were also killed because of the color of their skin? Now we have even more reason to includes Whites in the memorial since they were the victim of racism.
 
Yeh no. We are talking about African American lynching victims. We are not talking about white lynching victims.

If you feel so strongly about white lynching victims please feel free to erect a memorial for their honor. I’m sure no one will stop you.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
Yeh no. We are talking about African American lynching victims. We are not talking about white lynching victims.
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Well that is the problem isn’t it? White lynching victims are ignored.
mrsdizzyd said:
If you feel so strongly about white lynching victims please feel free to erect a memorial for their honor. I’m sure no one will stop you.
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Really? I’m sure almost everyone would be against it since it would be racist. People would absolutely try to stop it.
 
And people with similar thinking to yourself tried to stop this memorial as well, I have no doubt. Yet there it is for all to see.

Put in the years upon years of work and build a memorial for them.
 
Hold on now. Be more clear. I think you are implying something. At least be direct.

Ludicrous comparisons? Exactly what is ludicrous? What are my semantic gymnastics?
 
exnihilo said:
Exactly what is ludicrous? What are my semantic gymnastics?
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All of it. Everything you’ve said. You don’t really care about white lynching. You are just tossing around red herrings because you think it will win you some points on the internet.
 
“MONTGOMERY, Alabama—On Thursday, the National Memorial for Peace and Justice opened in Montgomery to remember the thousands of Americans who were hanged, burned, or otherwise murdered by white mobs”

From the article. The purpose of this memorial is not generic. It is specifically for those killed by white mobs during a specific time period, for a specific reason: racism.

It is not meant to be a memorial to every person ever lynched. I do not understand why you are so offended by it.
 
Have you stopped to think that maybe there are reasons why people might view things differently than you that does not automatically make them bad people, dumb people, bigoted people or clueless people? Before you make these assumptions, ask why do these people think this way, and note the patterns. You will begin to understand it.

Your educational system taught you that the liberal viewpoint is always right and everyone else is dumb and/or bad. You were never taught the other side of the issue. Discussion by conservatives is automatically hate speech and not to be listened to.

My generations education taught us that there are many sides of issues, and we should know how to argue at least the liberal and the conservative sides. Instead of hate speech, we were taught that I may disagree with your speech, but I will still fight for your right to say it.

Try going back and looking at some definitions of liberals and conservatives and democrats and republicans from the 1980’s (The will still be somewhat slanted but a good starting point.) Apply what you see to discussions. Try to see the points that the other side is trying to make on these boards.

Remember there is a lot more nuance in the world than liberal good conservative bad.

There is a saying that has been around since the beginning of America and has been altered slightly ever since to apply to different situations over the years. I like the way that King Oscar II said it best, “A man who has not been a Socialist by age 25 has no heart. If he remains one after age 25 he has no head.”

Ask yourself why is something that people as early as John Adams or Edmund Burke first expressed still being used today?
 
Your definition of racism is incorrect. Racism does NOT mean the exclusion of other races. It means the antagonistic attitudes and behaviors toward a given race. You may have a memorial devoted to patriotic Catholics or Catholics who were victims of discrimination: that doesn’t mean you are racist toward non-Catholics who were also war heroes or victims. If you have a monument devoted to World War II veterans, that doesn’t mean you have no regard for the sacrifices of Vietnam War veterans or for non-veterans. And so on.

In the case of a memorial devoted to Black lynching, the focus is on lynching due to skin color and race. It is not focused on other lynching, nor should it be, as per the examples above. And it is NOT racist.
 
Um, study up on analogies.

Still not being very direct. Seems you are the one engaging in gymnastics.
mrsdizzyd said:
All of it. Everything you’ve said. You don’t really care about white lynching. You are just tossing around red herrings because you think it will win you some points on the internet.
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Everything I said. OK. I don’t think you know what I care about.
Irishmom2 said:
From the article. The purpose of this memorial is not generic. It is specifically for those killed by white mobs during a specific time period, for a specific reason: racism.
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The Whites lynched were, I presume, lynched by White mobs. How do they know why the individuals lynched were lynched? How do they know it was due to ‘racism’?
Irishmom2 said:
I do not understand why you are so offended by it.
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Because it is racist since it only shows care for Blacks who were lynched and not Whites. I thought we were supposed to oppose racism. But as we can see from this thread we have lots of racists.
 
Ah, so you would say that we could have a monument to White people and that would not be racist? So if we have a monument to all the Whites who died on 911 that wouldn’t be racist?
 
No it would not be racist, if you believe that the target of the terrorists was specifically Whites. I believe the target was Americans of whatever nationality, race, or religion (Muslims and Whites included), so a monument to Americans would make more sense. But if you wish to single out Whites, you can, although I don’t see the point since I don’t believe they were singled out by the terrorists, as opposed to Blacks who were singled out BECAUSE of their race.
 
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