Why We Need the New Lynching Memorial

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I’m a white guy, but ancestors were toiling in eastern Europe when all of this slavery and reconstruction and Jim Crow and lynching was coming down. The fact that the losers of this battle on American soil were also white is irrelevant to me. I’m not responsible for what they did, and I’m not even related to those who were.
 
exnihilo said:
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No, especially when justice for the victims of these crimes was systematically denied and even the history of those injustices was suppressed.
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Isn’t justice denied to every victim of a lynching? Isn’t that what a lynching is? Just because a person belongs to a particular group doesn’t mean the injustice of his murder should be ignored. Right?
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There is the injustice that leads to the extrajudicial killing and then there is the further injustices visited upon the families and the systematic suppression of that history.

Like I said, if you want a memorial for white victims of lynching, do the work and get it done.

I’m not persuaded by your red herring. You can keep trotting out this trope until you are blue in the face and it still will not be a persuasive argument.

PS: we are still waiting for your defense of the Holocaust example.
 
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I don’t think Poles or Jews or Slovaks were considered “white” until later either
 
Just another democrat / liberal move to play the blame game of how racist America is.
 
Jump4Joy said:
I trust PBS, NAACP, my college history books. I want to know your sources that prove that we cannot know for certain whether these lynchings were racially motivated.
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My source for that is simple and obvious. We lack omniscience. Or at least I do. Apparently others don’t. I don’t know what goes on in the minds of others.
BoomBoomMancini said:
Look, you seem to acknowledge that lynching was disproportionately used against blacks. Presumably, you also inferred that that was the case for racist reasons.
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I don’t doubt some motivation was due to race. But I don’t know every case was or was a majority.
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If majority of lynchings occurred to blacks, why is memorializing that racist? That’s what I don’t understand.
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For the same reason that memorializing only Whites for participating in the Revolutionary War would be. The problem is in making the memorial about race. If they just wanted a memorial to lynching victims that is fine.
 
We don’t have evidence of whether every single case was racially motivated. We have evidence of the time period, the characteristics of the people who were lynched, the atmosphere. No one is claiming omnipresence. There were certain types of black people who were targeted for lynchings.
 
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I think I’m done and tired of arguing or trying to reason with you. We clearly see American history differently and have different views on the term racism.
 
I don’t think all lynchings were racially motivated, but I think the lynchings of the blacks during that era were. There’s an NAACP article on the lynchings of whites. It stated the 27% lynched were lynched for being aantilynching, helping blacks or committing domestic crimes. The lynchings of blacks are linked to white supremacy of that era.
 
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Why don’t you enlighten everyone? You are the one that keeps bringing it up, and seem so heck bent on proving some point you are trying to make over it.
 
Jump4Joy said:
There’s an NAACP article on the lynchings of whites. It stated the 27% lynched were lynched for being aantilynching, helping blacks or committing domestic crimes.
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Why were the majority lynched? I’d be interested in how they came to this conclusion too. How did they determine motivations of a mob?
 
Who might a memorial to the Armenian genocide focus on if not Armenians? I fail to see how this kind of exclusion is racist. Do you approve of the Boy Scouts’ admitting girls to their ranks? Of course not, because they are the BOY SCOUTS, not the girl scouts, although, I must admit, certain uber-liberals do disagree, and now with transgender people, the situation is almost hopelessly mangled. In the case of an all-White country club or an all-gentile country club, this is a trickier thing because country clubs (unlike Armenian memorials or the Boy Scouts) by their very nature, are NOT inherently based on race or religion despite being private clubs. Religious schools are another matter, however, since they ARE inherently based on specific religious teaching. One really must take the issues individually and according to the law, which, needless to say, is often not a simple task.
 
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exnihilo said:
Why were the majority lynched?
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Every lynching had its own reasons, and I’m sure that race was part of it in a number of cases.

The 1911 Coatsville lynching of a black steelworker was Pennsylvania’s last. The man who was lynched was accused of murder- he said it was self defense. Never had his day in court, so who can say. Would the mob have done the same if the alleged murderer was a white guy? I don’t know. What was the relations between blacks and whites in Coatsville in 1911?
 
exnihilo said:
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Jump4Joy:
There’s an NAACP article on the lynchings of whites. It stated the 27% lynched were lynched for being aantilynching, helping blacks or committing domestic crimes.
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Why were the majority lynched? I’d be interested in how they came to this conclusion too. How did they determine motivations of a mob?
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More reading for you:




Ida B Wells was a journalist during the Jim Crow Era. She dedicated herself to criss crossing the South in order to document lynchings. Here is a short video on Amazon Prime


And a book about Ida B. Wells while we are at it

 
The 27% of the overall lynchings were white men in that particular statistic. The white men were lynched for the following three reasons being anti lynchings, helping blacks and domestic crimes.
 
Jump4Joy said:
The white men were lynched for the following three reasons being anti lynchings, helping blacks and domestic crimes.
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So, some Whites were lynched for being against lynchings and helping Blacks. But they won’t be honored at this memorial?
 
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