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meltzerboy2
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If these White men who were lynched for helping Blacks were honored, would you then not object to the memorial because it would be less racist?
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Regular_Atheist
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They were lynched because of the racial violence that has characterised American society for centuries. Of course any memorial of value should represent more than just vague “victims of lynchings.” It should condemn the force behind them, in this case White Supremacy and racism. If white victims are represented then the emphasis should still be on the fact that they died for daring to stand up to White Supremacy.
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Jump4Joy
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They deserve to be honored too. If the whites were killed for opposing racial violence, then most likely most of the blacks were killed for that reason
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Seeksadvice
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Pretty sure they lynched a white guy out here back in the 1910’s.
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TheAmazingGrace
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No, I would not.
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Theo520
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Really like this song by Nina Simone & Billie Holiday
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Isca
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I was thinking of the very same song as I read this thread. It’s astonishing for me to see a few people trying to downplay these murders.
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Spyridon
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@TheAmazingGrace.
Alright Gracey, let’s go a step further…
In your opinion, is it even possible for a black person to be racist against a white person in America?
Alright Gracey, let’s go a step further…
In your opinion, is it even possible for a black person to be racist against a white person in America?
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Theo520
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I think they want it in the past and not serve a fuel for new hate.
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LilyM
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As has been said upthread, you are more than welcome to set up your own memorial to whites who were lynched since it’s that important to you that they be honoured.Jump4Joy:
So, some Whites were lynched for being against lynchings and helping Blacks. But they won’t be honored at this memorial?
It’s like saying the many memorials to Washington and Jefferson somehow negate the other less famous contributors to the founding of the US. The solution is not to alter the Jefferson Memorial or insist that Washington DC be renamed, but, if you feel it necessary, ALSO memorialise the other folks in an appropriate way. Not like there isn’t space enough for all.
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exnihilo
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It would be less racist but still racist.
I doubt if a White group wanted to put up a memorial to honor only White victims of crime you’d tell a Black person the same thing.
Those are memorials to individuals. Those are memorials honoring men for their personal achievements. The memorial in question is honoring people for their victimhood. But it is specifically excluding anyone not of a particular race. That is so obviously racist I don’t see how people can defend it.
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philipl
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So if you were lynched because your were Italian wasnt racist? But being lynched because you were black was racist? I often wonder if people that use their feeling to make decisions read what they write?
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TheAmazingGrace
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- There were far less white victims.
- Lynch mobs needed far less “provocation” to murder black people.
- White victims were far more likely to be properly avenged by the justice system.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Individual prejudice =/= systemic racism.
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TheAmazingGrace
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No it doesn’t. It was a facetious way of saying that white people were almost always lynched by other white people.
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philipl
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About 30% of the total number were whites. By no means insignificant. Your other 2 need something more to show proof that opinions.
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Pup7
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Are you okay?
This isn’t life or death here.
And there’s your source. I just Googled it. I’d say the NAACP is pretty reliable. I have no dog in this fight but it was easy to confirm that about 30% is accurate. I was actually shocked it was that high - I thought it was lower than that. You’re right - it doesn’t equate, but before you blast people for no source you can go check.
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And your snowy comment was pretty deplorable to this bystander, not facetious.
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TheAmazingGrace
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Didn’t say it wasn’t. The person I responded to was throwing a statistic out there without bothering to interpret it so that they could “prove” (I guess) that black victims of lynching don’t deserve a memorial.
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Pup7
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Took me about fifteen seconds to confirm it was.
If someone posts something and I don’t understand or quite get it, I look it up.
Doesn’t matter if they were “throwing” it out or not - they happened to be right.
I don’t think he’s saying they don’t deserve one. He’s (if the poster is a she I apologize) saying that there’s two sides to the story, so why not say “30% of the victims were white, many of whom were murdered because of their support of anti-lynching and for helping African-Americans in their fight against this atrocity” or something similar. It would indeed be appropriate.
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LilyM
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I doubt if a White group wanted to put up a memorial to honor only White victims of crime you’d tell a Black person the same thing.
And a whites-only lynching memorial would strike me as odd - like a memorial to victims of the Holocaust that excluded all mention of its Jewish victims. Frankly, given recent attempts to deny or minimise the Holocaust, I’d be suspicious of the motives of the makers of such a memorial.
Those are memorials to individuals. Those are memorials honoring men for their personal achievements. The memorial in question is honoring people for their victimhood. But it is specifically excluding anyone not of a particular race. That is so obviously racist I don’t see how people can defend it.
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I speak as someone who had many relatives affected by WWII - the honouring in WWII memorials of Jewish victims and members of the armed forces in no way discriminates aganst those of my family members who were neither Jewish nor in the military but were victims nonetheless.
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