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brigid12
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They don’t stay non-Catholic is why - I prayed the Holy Rosary every day for 5+ years then was no longer a non-Catholic.
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MissionMike
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Praying is 100% Biblical, but the rosary is not. Plain and simple.
As my hermeneutics professor taught me, this is God’s Holy Word, treat it with care. You bring far too many presuppositions to the Bible. It was said that the rosary predates Protestantism, sometime in the 1200s. True, but does that make it necessary or right to do? Certainly not. The catholic church, nor any other church, has no right to change the Holy Scripture to fit their needs or desires. Tradition NEVER trumps Scripture.
Plain and simple.
Blessings all!
As my hermeneutics professor taught me, this is God’s Holy Word, treat it with care. You bring far too many presuppositions to the Bible. It was said that the rosary predates Protestantism, sometime in the 1200s. True, but does that make it necessary or right to do? Certainly not. The catholic church, nor any other church, has no right to change the Holy Scripture to fit their needs or desires. Tradition NEVER trumps Scripture.
Plain and simple.
Blessings all!
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JRKH
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Hmmm, Let’s see. 1) Prayer is biblical. 2) We Pray the rosary. ergo 3) Praying the Rosary is Biblical.
Whether the physical item called the rosary is biblical or not is irrelevant.
As you say - Plain and simple.
MissionMike,
Since you have joined the Discussion on the Bible being a Catholic book, I won’t derail this thread by going into this too far here. Suffice it to say that the Book which we call the Holy Bible came FROM Tradition, and Oral Apostolic teaching through the Holy Catholic Church. I’ll be happy to continue this discussion on the other thread.
Peace
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Ronald_E
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I have just returned from my morning Rosary Run and I love my Rosary Runs. I will not retell my return to our Catholic Faith in '05 after being away 40 years.
I started praying the Rosary in the summer of '06 on my morning runs and began to open to new understandings of suffering and the importance of prayer. I began to feel the suffering in the world and then one morning during the Rosary Run I was given the thought to write Pope Benedict a letter to ask him to lead us on a pilgrimage to Darfur to care for the widows and orphans. This was in Sept. '06. I received a response from his office in D.C. in Nov '06.
I continued to pray the Rosary and keep a journal of what was being revealed during these runs. Then in Sept. '07 I received the thought that we as Catholics should show the true meaning of our faith and run across the country praying the Rosary for single mothers and unborn children. I have not been able to run without this forming in my mind to the point that I had sent this to several Catholic organizations and essentially was ignored.
So, now it is here and I present it to you.
God Bless.
I started praying the Rosary in the summer of '06 on my morning runs and began to open to new understandings of suffering and the importance of prayer. I began to feel the suffering in the world and then one morning during the Rosary Run I was given the thought to write Pope Benedict a letter to ask him to lead us on a pilgrimage to Darfur to care for the widows and orphans. This was in Sept. '06. I received a response from his office in D.C. in Nov '06.
I continued to pray the Rosary and keep a journal of what was being revealed during these runs. Then in Sept. '07 I received the thought that we as Catholics should show the true meaning of our faith and run across the country praying the Rosary for single mothers and unborn children. I have not been able to run without this forming in my mind to the point that I had sent this to several Catholic organizations and essentially was ignored.
So, now it is here and I present it to you.
God Bless.
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VirginiaLynn
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I feel that Rosary is a beautiful Prayer and meditation on God’s word. I am not Catholic and I Pray the Rosary.
The Latin word for Rosary is rosarium, rosarii , I think?! Any who …Jesus didn’t say we can drive cars and we do because it betters our lives in so many ways.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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**Bad analogy - Jesus Christ is our Lord & our God: Mary is our redeemed fellow-creature. **
Mary is not:- Head of the Church
- Lord of Glory
- King of Kings
- Redeemer
- Saviour
**One statement after another is true of Christ, but untrue of her: ** - **she was not crucified for our redemption **
- she is not the only-begotten Son of God
- she is not the express image of God
- she has not "made the Father known"
- the fullness of the Godhead did not dwell bodily in her, but in Christ
- her blood cannot take away our sins
- she shed no blood for our sins
- she did not suffer death for our sins
- she was not raised for our justification
- she is not our High Priest
- she is not the Shepherd & Bishop of the sheep
- she is not the first-born from the dead
- she is not the Heir of the ages
- She is not the One Mediator between God & man
**That is why any parity between God Incarnate ****& her is absolutely impossible: she is therefore not central: not to our salvation, not to revelation, not to the Bible, not to the creation, not to anything. Christ & Christ alone, no mortal or creature, most definitely is. It is the Lamb Who is exalted & glorified by the Saints in Heaven (Rev. 5) - no creature is, but Him, alone. **
Same with Christ and Mary - there’s nothing lacking in your love for Christ if you say that Mary is also central in your life. And Mary is such an important part of Christ’s life - there’s no-one else who was literally there every step of His human existence with Him, from the Annunciation to the Ascension - that if you truly want to imitate Him you’ll make her an equally important part of yours.
See love isn’t like a pie where there’s a limited amount and a big piece for one person means a smaller piece for others, it’s like a muscle that grows and expands in all directions when you exercise it in any way. That’s why Jesus said love of neighbour was like love of God. :yup:
As for praying to God - Jesus requested the Apostles to pray, did He not? “When you pray” and all that? ‘Pray’ means ‘ask’ - so if Our Lord asked them to pray then He did indeed pray to them,
to… ? Some text appears to have dropped out…
**As for this “pray” business - one has to take account of the theology of the Bible & of Jesus’ time; not of language alone. The dictionary is a poor guide to doctrine. **
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Jimmy_B
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Hello Michael,
You have spent some effort explaining what Mary is not, now as a Catholic, can you tell us what she is and how your comments here are relevant to the praying the Rosary.
The Rosary is a prayer of the Gospels used by Catholics and others to gain a better understanding of the Gospels and of Jesus Christ; and his life. By praying the Rosary, Catholics and others grow closer to Jesus.
Is there anything wrong with that?
To have a problem with the Rosary, is to not understand it; or to have a problem with the Gospels.
The Rosary is a prayer of the Gospels… it is a simple as that…
And, for those who forgot…Mary is the Mother of God.
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ufamtobie
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Hi there Missionmike,
After Our Lord’s Resurection The Apostles had a debate wether or not to change the law of circumcision. Now we all know that God The Father in the old Testament wanted this done to to every male born.
Apostles changed law of Circumcision, now a male need not to be circumcised.
Missionmike, this goes to show you that the church of the Apostles (the Catholic Church) did change Circumcision. they have a right to… read
Matthew, (Ch.16 verse19-20) I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in heaven what ever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in heaven.
That proves that the Catholic Church has the **KEYS **of the Kingdom and can bind or loose WHATEVER. Plain and Simple.
Now what do you have to say about the early church fathers the Apostles loosing Circumcision?
Ufamtobie
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LilyM
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Michael, when I say ‘both central’ it doesn’t mean ‘exactly alike’ or even ‘approximately alike’. My relationship with my husband is certainly going to be a very different one to my relationship with my children, and my husband in himself is certainly going to be a very different being altogether from my children. Doesn’t mean both can’t be central to my life - particularly since husband and children are so closely related that if I love the one I am bound to love the other as well, for their sake
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SIA
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I’ve said this before about you and certainly no offense meant here, but you are very ignorant of other faiths. Anglicans say the Rosary and well as some Lutherans I know. There are many things that you seem to believe are exclusive to Roman Catholics when in fact they are not.
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SIA
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Creatively, you left off the first part of my post where I said that I meant no offense. If you are going to throw accusations around and paint people colors, at least use ALL their quote and don’t take things out of context. Thank you
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Lilyflower
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Please accept my most profound and humble apologies. Absolutely not offence intended.
As you know, in research it is usual to extract only those points to which you reference as your sources else all manner of mis-quotes and unintended consequences may creep in.
But as I said, no offence intended. I can see why you might have been offended.
Please note I often am seen to quote Mt 7:1-2. I DO live by that principle, if it is my only principle .
I did however quote you faithfully, I did not mis-quote or de-emnify your quote.
Blessings and peace
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Jimmy_B
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Hello everybody,
I went back and read some of the posts here and I just wanted to add something regarding the Rosary, Catholic medals and other devotions and sacramental’s.
All Catholic and non-Catholic Christian devotions and sacramental’s are meant as Christian reminders, used by Christians (Catholics) and others, to remind us of Jesus Christ, in our normal everyday lives.
Some here have a problem with the Rosary, a prayer of the Gospels and with Catholics wearing Catholic medals but don’t have a problem with those who memorize secular songs and “recite” them, or those who go to secular concerts.
Additionally, some of those who have a problem with some of these Christian traditions, will wear clothes with a designer label or will wear clothing with a brand name or sports team name and logo.
The crucifix is a Catholic sacramental. Jesus died on a cross not a crucifix. Before Jesus, the cross symbolizes death and now the crucifix symbolizes life.
The crucifix, like other sacramental’s and the Rosary, points many towards Christ, is there anything wrong with that?
I think most non-Catholics have a problem with things, just because they are “Catholic”, isn’t that hypocritical?
Are any of you here, who are so uptight about the “Catholic” Rosary and “Catholic” sacramental’s, also uptight about sports apparel, which has nothing to do with God?
Are any of you here, who are so uptight about the “Catholic” Rosary and “Catholic” sacramental’s, also uptight about music and sports fans?
People wear all sorts of things around their neck…where is the concern for regular, non-religious jewelry?
When some non-Catholics talk about Catholicism, it is as if, all common sense is completely ignored and Catholicism is view in a vacuum but then the moment passes and they move right back into the secular world, to watch their favorite TV show, or play their favorite video game.
Why isn’t Catholicism and what Catholics do, viewed in the same light as other Christian denominations or other things in the secular world?
Your Thoughts?
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I went back and read some of the posts here and I just wanted to add something regarding the Rosary, Catholic medals and other devotions and sacramental’s.
All Catholic and non-Catholic Christian devotions and sacramental’s are meant as Christian reminders, used by Christians (Catholics) and others, to remind us of Jesus Christ, in our normal everyday lives.
Some here have a problem with the Rosary, a prayer of the Gospels and with Catholics wearing Catholic medals but don’t have a problem with those who memorize secular songs and “recite” them, or those who go to secular concerts.
Additionally, some of those who have a problem with some of these Christian traditions, will wear clothes with a designer label or will wear clothing with a brand name or sports team name and logo.
The crucifix is a Catholic sacramental. Jesus died on a cross not a crucifix. Before Jesus, the cross symbolizes death and now the crucifix symbolizes life.
The crucifix, like other sacramental’s and the Rosary, points many towards Christ, is there anything wrong with that?
I think most non-Catholics have a problem with things, just because they are “Catholic”, isn’t that hypocritical?
Are any of you here, who are so uptight about the “Catholic” Rosary and “Catholic” sacramental’s, also uptight about sports apparel, which has nothing to do with God?
Are any of you here, who are so uptight about the “Catholic” Rosary and “Catholic” sacramental’s, also uptight about music and sports fans?
People wear all sorts of things around their neck…where is the concern for regular, non-religious jewelry?
When some non-Catholics talk about Catholicism, it is as if, all common sense is completely ignored and Catholicism is view in a vacuum but then the moment passes and they move right back into the secular world, to watch their favorite TV show, or play their favorite video game.
Why isn’t Catholicism and what Catholics do, viewed in the same light as other Christian denominations or other things in the secular world?
Your Thoughts?
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HashemEchad
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On the way to the cemetery where my family is buried, there is an Anglican church that has on their outside sign the announcement, “Anglican Rosary, Wednesday afternoons at 2 PM”.
I assume this is the same as the RC rosary. If so, they are saying it and it has not brought them into the RC church.
Or maybe that’s because its actually this: kingofpeace.org/prayerbeads.htm
The Buddhists also have a “rosary” of beads which they use for saying prayers, called mala beads: buddhistmala.com
I assume this is the same as the RC rosary. If so, they are saying it and it has not brought them into the RC church.
Or maybe that’s because its actually this: kingofpeace.org/prayerbeads.htm
The Buddhists also have a “rosary” of beads which they use for saying prayers, called mala beads: buddhistmala.com
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Jimmy_B
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Jimmy B;3677206:
“Stereotypical” is one of those often overused defensive words, used by some to win or end a debate.
I would not have written something here, if I didn’t mean it but thank you for your concern. I used the words “most” and “some”, which does not mean “all” and I was referring to those who are non-Catholic Christians and are constantly “speaking-out” against Catholicism.
Are you asserting that there does not exist Protestant Christians who are anti-Catholic and are apposed to things, simply because they are “Catholic”? Some anti-Catholics have made fortunes writing books on these very subjects.
“Stereotypical”…that’s funny…
The point that I was attempting to make was, that some here get all worked up, talking about Catholic doctrine or a Catholic devotion like the Rosary and my point is that; any Christian devotion is better than any non-Christian devotion. In other words, when someone is praying… they are praying and their primary focus as a Christian, is suppose to be on Jesus Christ.
I’ll venture to say, that most here do not pray all day, every day…they have jobs and families and other things that occupy their time…Those who pray the Rosary daily are deliberately making time in their busy lives to pray and reflect on Jesus Christ’s life and on the Gospels… What is wrong with that? Would that time be better spent for example, playing a video game?
Additionally, some here will not buy “cheap” shoes and will spend more money to by something in style, or more “fashionable”, or buy a pair of shoes in a particular brand. Most do not have a problem with that but do have a problem with Catholic medals.
Some here are more concerned with the type of car they drive, than they are with other things “religious”. Some spend more time watching TV than they do praying or attending Church.
A pearl necklace or a pair of diamond earrings are non-religious items that people wear all the time and I don’t hear anyone complaining about that practice.
Do people preach one thing and then do another…Absolutely! Is that being hypocritical? Yep, it sure is… Is commenting on actual behavior being stereotypical? I don’t think so.
Can you see my point? We could all benefit from more prayer in our lives and from viewing things in context, in the real world.
Thank you for your post….
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Ronald_E
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I went to lunch today and a very humble woman who is a single mother in her late 50’s is a manager at the sandwich shop where I eat. She has a son who is around 20 and is working a full time job along with going to school and has cerebral palsy. Now he has been diagnosed with Crohn’s disease and irritable bile. Some days seem extremely hard on her and her son. She works hard and I attempt to make her laugh with whatever self-deprecating humor I have left. She calls me sweetie when I walk in and I tell her that she is the sweet one and I could never measure up to her.
She is non-Catholic. She did not know I am Catholic until today after seeing her for the last 8 years. She told me a story about living back east in NYC and being 18 and she was a passenger on her boyfriend’s motorcycle going 95 mph when he hit a strip of concrete separating opposing lanes of traffic. She ended up flying over a car about 100 ft. and had 80 stitches put in one leg and a slight concussion. Her boyfriend suffered no injuries. The woman who was in the car that she had flown over came to her aid. She told my friend that as soon as she saw her fly over her car, she reached in her purse and pulled out her Rosary and started praying.
She should have been dead. They wore no helmets in those days.
Anyway, I still want to have Catholics and non-Catholics join me for raising money for unborn children and single mothers by running across the country and silently praying the Rosary for those without a voice or a safe home.
She is non-Catholic. She did not know I am Catholic until today after seeing her for the last 8 years. She told me a story about living back east in NYC and being 18 and she was a passenger on her boyfriend’s motorcycle going 95 mph when he hit a strip of concrete separating opposing lanes of traffic. She ended up flying over a car about 100 ft. and had 80 stitches put in one leg and a slight concussion. Her boyfriend suffered no injuries. The woman who was in the car that she had flown over came to her aid. She told my friend that as soon as she saw her fly over her car, she reached in her purse and pulled out her Rosary and started praying.
She should have been dead. They wore no helmets in those days.
Anyway, I still want to have Catholics and non-Catholics join me for raising money for unborn children and single mothers by running across the country and silently praying the Rosary for those without a voice or a safe home.
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Jimmy_B
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Thank you for a great post…
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LilyM
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It’s not the beads that matter - the actual prayers the Anglicans pray on theirs are different to the RC ‘Hail Mary’, that’s for sure, and that just might be what makes the difference.
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