Why would a Roman Catholic become Orthodox?

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jam070406 said:
I believe in ONE, holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
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Yes ,they all happen “thank God” to be in communion with each other and as i was saying to Joab that they happen to be independent and self governing with their head bishop not subject to or under any other higher church authority or bishop.
My question to Joab was if he was and is aware of this.
 
psalmody said:
Yes ,they all happen “thank God” to be in communion with each other and as i was saying to Joab that they happen to be independent and self governing with their head bishop not subject to or under any other higher church authority or bishop.
My question to Joab was if he was and is aware of this.
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You stated: “Are you aware that they are all self governing and independant churches ?”

The creed says nothing about independant, self governing churches sharing faith. Your statement supposes that there are indeed many Orthodox churches. The creed states otherwise. It states there is ONE church.
 
My husband has struggled with this question. He wants to remain in our Eastern Rite church which is in communion with Rome, but gets discouraged because some of the Bishops appointed by Rome don’t seem to really understand what the Eastern Churches are all about, and yet they make decisions which affect those same churches.

While I’ve made it clear to him that I won’t/can’t leave the R.C. church, I do understand why he, and others, feel the urge to go to the Orthodox Churches. In my opinion, what’s needed is a lot more compassion and understanding - on both sides.
 
Jam,
Did you know that the Holy See of Constantinople ,the Holy See of Antioch,the Holy See of Jerusalem,the Holy See of Alexandria,and of Russia ,Greece,Serbia,Cyprus,Romania,Bulgaria and Georgia which all happen to be in union with each other which in turn makes them all One ,did you know that it is a fact that each of these churches has its own head bishop who is not under any other higher bishop or church authority ,which means for instance that the ancient and Holy see of Constantinople is self governing and its head bishop which is also called the Patriarch is basically in charge of his own See and has no right to interfere lets say for instance in the affairs of the Holy See of Russia or Cyprus etc.
The Patriarch of Constantinople as i mentioned earlier is not under the authority of another bishop because the See is mature and is able to function on its own with its considerable amount of Bishops ,priests ,deacons and laypeople to self govern it,
While at the same time being in full communion with the other Sees of these many different Countries making them One church with the same faith.
 
psalmody said:
Jam,
Did you know that the Holy See of Constantinople ,the Holy See of Antioch,the Holy See of Jerusalem,the Holy See of Alexandria,and of Russia ,Greece,Serbia,Cyprus,Romania,Bulgaria and Georgia which all happen to be in union with each other which in turn makes them all One ,did you know that it is a fact that each of these churches has its own head bishop who is not under any other higher bishop or church authority ,which means for instance that the ancient and Holy see of Constantinople is self governing and its head bishop which is also called the Patriarch is basically in charge of his own See and has no right to interfere lets say for instance in the affairs of the Holy See of Russia or Cyprus etc.
The Patriarch of Constantinople as i mentioned earlier is not under the authority of another bishop because the See is mature and is able to function on its own with its considerable amount of Bishops ,priests ,deacons and laypeople to self govern it,
While at the same time being in full communion with the other Sees of these many different Countries making them One church with the same faith.
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I understand that they are many churches that seem to share a common Faith. But they are indeed not one church. Which seems pretty evident in the latest squabble between the MP and the EP.
 
Joab_Anias said:
Such sentimentality is contrary to the following of the Holy Spirit to where He has led us in the present and a denial of the will of God who desires to lead us into all truth; Not to stop in our tracks and hold fast in fear of His direction through the Catholic Church. When Lots wife looked back she became frozen.
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Gof bless!

This has nothing todo with sentimentality it is a fact - nothing more!

I think we had discussed before what changes in the rcc were done ! I live in western Europe where hundrets of people leave the rcc every day and u think about sentimentality ?

So many rcc are poor and do not know what to do - they are faithful christitans and want to go the Liturgy but it is made impossible - I know even some rcc priests who say that they should not go to the mass because it is open blasphemie - do u really think the Holy Spirit was leading them ? I can not believe it when I see the fruits !

It is clear that it was not the Holy Spirti who lead them ! Oh poor catholics what have they done with your faith, oh see how the Mother of God is weeping about the rcc church !

Did the Mother of God say in her appearnces that God and She are happy about the situation in the rcc- no the contrary she is sad and weeps day and said the people should repent !

In Austria it is said that the Theotokos appeared to a catholic woman and said that the Holy Mass has become blasphemie and when they do not return God will be angered greatly !
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Do u still think it was the work of the Holy Spirit ?

In CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
Gof bless!

This has nothing todo with sentimentality it is a fact - nothing more!

I think we had discussed before what changes in the rcc were done ! I live in western Europe where hundrets of people leave the rcc every day and u think about sentimentality ?

So many rcc are poor and do not know what to do - they are faithful christitans and want to go the Liturgy but it is made impossible - I know even some rcc priests who say that they should not go to the mass because it is open blasphemie - do u really think the Holy Spirit was leading them ? I can not believe it when I see the fruits !

It is clear that it was not the Holy Spirti who lead them ! Oh poor catholics what have they done with your faith, oh see how the Mother of God is weeping about the rcc church !

Did the Mother of God say in her appearnces that God and She are happy about the situation in the rcc- no the contrary she is sad and weeps day and said the people should repent !

In Austria it is said that the Theotokos appeared to a catholic woman and said that the Holy Mass has become blasphemie and when they do not return God will be angered greatly !
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Do u still think it was the work of the Holy Spirit ?

In CHRIST
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No. But, the return to the extraordinary form is. And the thirst for it by Faithful Catholics is also the work of the Holy Spirit. 👍
 
jam070406 said:
No. But, the return to the extraordinary form is. And the thirst for it by Faithful Catholics is also the work of the Holy Spirit. 👍
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God bless !

But please believe me there is also a thirst of orthodoxy in the catholic church - is this also a work of the Holy Spirit ?
I think so - here in western europe u will find in every catholic bookstore,books about orthodoxy, icons are selled everywhere, even icon seminaries in benedictine monasteries, orthodox church music…

But I think u have not noticed the greatness of this changings !
They are not little things, they changed everything !
I would say many parts are blasphemous and anti-christian druing the holiest moments of Mass ! Like I have written I know friends and they told me that even some rcc priests tell the people not to participate in such services, it would be a sin! I could post u fotos of such open blasphemie during the Masses- my catholic friends collected some of the most unbelieveable!

But u are right I think the people are more guided by the Spirit than the rcc Hierarchy ! I think the same the Mother of God said in one of her appearances in europe ! She said in Austria the rcc Service is Blasphemie against my Son and is angering God and when they will not repent and return God will destroy them ! She said weeping; Return and Repent…

In CHRIST
 
Joab_Anias said:
Kindly presenting disobedience to authority is still disobeying.

Sorry but the more you fail to ascend to Gods will in leu of your own you cease to be Catholic.

Eventually he vomits you out of his Church. I know, its happened to me.
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So if the OTHER 11 apostles disagree with Peter. Peter still over rides them?:confused:
 
jam070406 said:
I understand that they are many churches that seem to share a common Faith. But they are indeed not one church. Which seems pretty evident in the latest squabble between the MP and the EP.
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So are the Byzantine Catholics One Church?:confused:
 
bogoljub said:
God bless !

But please believe me there is also a thirst of orthodoxy in the catholic church - is this also a work of the Holy Spirit ?
I think so - here in western europe u will find in every catholic bookstore,books about orthodoxy, icons are selled everywhere, even icon seminaries in benedictine monasteries, orthodox church music…

But I think u have not noticed the greatness of this changings !
They are not little things, they changed everything !
I would say many parts are blasphemous and anti-christian druing the holiest moments of Mass ! Like I have written I know friends and they told me that even some rcc priests tell the people not to participate in such services, it would be a sin! I could post u fotos of such open blasphemie during the Masses- my catholic friends collected some of the most unbelieveable!

But u are right I think the people are more guided by the Spirit than the rcc Hierarchy ! I think the same the Mother of God said in one of her appearances in europe ! She said in Austria the rcc Service is Blasphemie against my Son and is angering God and when they will not repent and return God will destroy them ! She said weeping; Return and Repent…

In CHRIST
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I agree with you. The Church is going through a bad storm right now. It is under attack by the devil. But it has weathered storms in the past and Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
 
jam070406 said:
I understand that they are many churches that seem to share a common Faith. But they are indeed not one church. Which seems pretty evident in the latest squabble between the MP and the EP.
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So when I go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church and receive communion or a Russian Orthodox Church and receive communion we are not ONE CHURCH?

Because I am Greek Orthodox?

So if a Ukranian Byzantine Catholic goes to a Roman Catholic Church he is not in the Church.:confused:
We are one because we have the same belief. END OF STORY.
Roman Catholics and Byzantine Catholics have diffrent beliefs. Two different CREEDS. A creed is a statement of faith.
There are MORE differences amongst the Roman Church and the Byzantine Catholics vs. The Orthodox Churches have amongst themselves.

Yall differ more.:eek: :mad:
 
jam070406 said:
You stated: “Are you aware that they are all self governing and independant churches ?”

The creed says nothing about independant, self governing churches sharing faith. Your statement supposes that there are indeed many Orthodox churches. The creed states otherwise. It states there is ONE church.
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Yes we are one. Just like The Catholics we have different Churches/Branches that make up one. The Roman Catholics have 21 Churches in communion with each other.
We have many Churches too that are in communion with each other.
 
Stathios said:
Yes we are one. Just like The Catholics we have different Churches/Branches that make up one. The Roman Catholics have 21 Churches in communion with each other.
We have many Churches too that are in communion with each other.
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We have different rites of one church with one hierarchy and head bishop. You have different self governing churches.
 
jam070406 said:
You stated: “Are you aware that they are all self governing and independant churches ?”

The creed says nothing about independant, self governing churches sharing faith. Your statement supposes that there are indeed many Orthodox churches. The creed states otherwise. It states there is ONE church.
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There are independent Churches in the Catholic world, with different creeds said at Mass. One says a creed with the filioque, another says a creed without.
So the argument concerning ONE Church is really a non-issue and with good will, it can be finessed on both sides to a mutually agreeble conclusion.
 
jam070406 said:
I think you probably hung around the Eastern Christianity forum long enough to know the answer to that. 😉
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No it was never answered properly. To call one Catholic (Universal) one must have one belief system. The Creed is a statement of the faith. If there are different statements then you have 2 different faiths! The Orthodox all agree on their Priest can marry. The Catholics do not. The Byzantines can but the Romans can not. The Byzantine Catholics confirm their infant baptisms right away. The Romans do not.
The List goes It goes on and on.
Yes there are different rites.
And they have different beliefs.:eek:
 
jam070406 said:
I agree with you. The Church is going through a bad storm right now. It is under attack by the devil. But it has weathered storms in the past and Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
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God bless!

Please forgive me but I have the impression that the gates of Hell had prevailed the rcc church ( of course not all members).

The orthodox church also faced many storms- she had not really peace for a long while ! You only have to remember the cruseaders, the turkisch occupation, the communists…and of course even from inside but she stayed the same and did not change - that’s the difference. The devil will always try to tempt us to change the Holy Faith because he knows that when the faith is put away he can do with people what he wants ( we can see and witness this in the modern secular society).

So the most important thing is to keep the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Tradition and never allow any change or innovation !

We are not allowed to change anything, not even one JOTA (comma) we have to keep it and give it to the next generation.
But believe me it is a “great war” to keep this Tradition unchanged, this is the reason St. Paul often wrote keep the tradition- written and unwritten. The faith u received guard and keep…

We also have many prophecies by the many orthodox Elders about the future of the Orthodox Church, the non orthodox and the whole world. And they always warned us not participate in any innovation or alteration of Holy Faith.

In CHRIST
 
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