Why would a Roman Catholic become Orthodox?

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bobzills said:
The changes in the Mass came rapidly. My guess is that change is easier with R. Catholics than with E. Orthodox because there is one man at the top in Catholicism. With E. Orthodox, there are several Patriarchs, and they are not seen to have the same authority as a Catholic Pope?
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Yes and this is why The Orthodox have no communion with Rome. For they do NOT want to lose what they whole dear. ONE man (Pope) can do that and destroy what we have held so close to our hearts.👍
 
Joab_Anias said:
Its ironic that same attitude of dissent is what caused the schism in the first place. How sad.
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What attitude?:confused: The Patriarch of Constantinople was kind and received the 2 Cardnals from Rome. It was the 2 pains in the neck that divided us. Not us. We did not bring the sword to further seperate us in 1204. Yall did. We did not add language to doctrine that was NOT the faith of the fathers in 1870s yall did. (Infalibility of the Pope)

We kept to the faith. And to our traditions like the Bible commands us to. It is yall who changed and added things which caused more seperations of “The Body Of Christ.”
The Orthodox have suffered no reformation nor do we have any illegitimite children.
Why is that?:confused: Because we kept to the faith and did not add stuff that was not there. The Pope is the first protestant for he decided to take on interpretations by himself which led to Martin Luther to do the same. “Monkey see Monkey do,”
The East can not help the fact that the West has changed and forgoten its traditions and original doctrine/creed.

Stathios
 
Dauphin said:
The Pope has already restored the liturgical tradition; it just has to grow and become fully integrated with the modern liturgy. I feel that a full restoration should happen within two generations. That is, there will be no ordinary and extraordinary forms, only a single form of the Roman Rite derived through an organic development; a true liturgy of the ages. This forty-year crisis has been but a blip in the church’s history; the church has fought its way through much tougher times.

Christ has provided us with a true pastor, and I’m confident he’ll see us through.

The Orthodox have managed to keep all their traditions except one very critical one: the Petrine primacy. I’d rather sit through a clown Mass every Sunday than separate myself from the Successor of Peter.
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Is Antioch not the succesor of Peter? Infact that was the first rock that Peter built. No?? So The Catholics who have only one apostolic see can over ride 44 Bishops of the East who have 44 Apostolic Sees. Which 4 of them are part of the 5 Patriarchs that were in place prior to the schism?

The Pope is only first amongst equals. Like a Foreman is to a jury. Ironicly this example has 12 jurors. Just like the apostoles there are 12 people at the table. The Foreman like Peter has ONLY ONE vote like the rest of them. We see from the Bible that Paul (who never seen Jesus in the Flesh) confronts Peter and puts him in his place. Where is that strong KING authority that over rides Paul? Paul did not agree with Peter and some might say that Paul challenged him. THERE WAS NO BOSS.
It was the third or 4th century (Ecumenical Council) that concluded ALL BISHOPS ARE EQUAL.

I think you need to check up on that and see for yourself.

Plus Rome lost its power and wealth and The New Rome Constantinople took over where Rome left off. People in the past went to Rome because it was good political influence. Later Constantinople took over. The new political Power lied with The Patriarch of Constantinople not Rome.
 
bobzills said:
Have you read much of the history of what happened in 1054?
It was Cardinal Humbertus who placed the bull of excommunication at the altar of the Hagia Sophia, while the Church members begged him not to do it. One of the items mentioned by Cardinal Humbertus for the excommunication was that the filioque was not in the creed of the Eastern Church.
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Thank You
 
Stathios said:
What attitude?:confused: The Patriarch of Constantinople was kind and received the 2 Cardnals from Rome.
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Kindly presenting disobedience to authority is still disobeying.

Sorry but the more you fail to ascend to Gods will in leu of your own you cease to be Catholic.

Eventually he vomits you out of his Church. I know, its happened to me.
 
Joab Anias,

In regards to the churches of Constantinople,Alexandria,Jerusalem,Antioch,Cyprus,Russia,Serbia,Bulgaria,Georgia,Greece,
do you regard them as independent churches,which means they have the right and authority to be self-governing,which means that the head Bishop of that particular church is not subject to any other higher ecclesiastical authority or higher ranking bishop.

The first four along with the church of Rome are the most ancient of these churches which had and have independancy.

So i ask you again,
do you believe that these churches,some ancient and some more modern are independant and self governing and have the right not to be interfered with by Bishops of other Churches/jurisdictions ?
 
psalmody said:
Joab Anias,

In regards to the churches of Constantinople,Alexandria,Jerusalem,Antioch,Cyprus,Russia,Serbia,Bulgaria,Georgia,Greece,
do you regard them as independent churches,which means they have the right and authority to be self-governing,which means that the head Bishop of that particular church is not subject to any other higher ecclesiastical authority or higher ranking bishop.

The first four along with the church of Rome are the most ancient of these churches which had and have independancy.

So i ask you again,
do you believe that these churches,some ancient and some more modern are independant and self governing and have the right not to be interfered with by Bishops of other Churches/jurisdictions ?
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I believe that all Catholics must exeplify the brotherly relationship of the apostles among themselves among their bishops and we do. Only one brother was a traitor and he hung himself. He was then replaced. When disputes arose among the apostles how do you think they settled them?
 
Joab Anias,

You havent answered my question which is,

Do you recognize ,affirm,or believe in regards to all the churches i mentioned that they are self governing and independant and that the head bishop of each of these churches doesnt have to report to any Higher bishop or other higher Church authority?
 
psalmody said:
Joab Anias,

You havent answered my question which is,

Do you recognize ,affirm,or believe in regards to all the churches i mentioned that they are self governing and independant and that the head bishop of each of these churches doesnt have to report to any Higher bishop or other higher Church authority?
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Your answer lays in this question. When disputes arose among the apostles how did they settle them?
 
Joab Anias,

Are the churches that i mentioned above self governing and independant ,with the head bishop of each church not under any other higher bishop or church authority?

please answer
 
psalmody said:
Joab Anias,

Are the churches that i mentioned above self governing and independant ,with the head bishop of each church not under any other higher bishop or church authority?

please answer
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I did as best I know how.
 
Joab ,

Tell me what you understand and what you are trying to say with the question "When disputes arose among the apostles how did they settle them?

What is your answer to this?
 
God bless!

When a catholic becomes orthodox -he only goes back to his own old church nothing more ! It is a going home - he will find the church of the Fathers and the Saints. The church of St. Augustine and St. Ambrose of St. Jerome and St Gregory the great…

He will discover the old veneration of the Queen of the Universe - our Allholy Lady Theotokos and will see her in her true icons and will chant the Hymns and praises of old !

He will discover the old way of veneration and ascesis - the practice of the apostels - the apostolic tradition !

The Holy and Ancient and Precious Tradition of all true christians!

He will not change he only will be united with the Saints of old !

In CHRIST
 
bogoljub said:
God bless!

When a catholic becomes orthodox -he only goes back to his own old church nothing more ! It is a going home - he will find the church of the Fathers and the Saints. The church of St. Augustine and St. Ambrose of St. Jerome and St Gregory the great…

He will discover the old veneration of the Queen of the Universe - our Allholy Lady Theotokos and will see her in her true icons and will chant the Hymns and praises of old !

He will discover the old way of veneration and ascesis - the practice of the apostels - the apostolic tradition !

The Holy and Ancient and Precious Tradition of all true christians!

He will not change he only will be united with the Saints of old !

In CHRIST
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Such sentimentality is contrary to the following of the Holy Spirit to where He has led us in the present and a denial of the will of God who desires to lead us into all truth; Not to stop in our tracks and hold fast in fear of His direction through the Catholic Church. When Lots wife looked back she became frozen.
 
psalmody said:
Joab ,

Tell me what you understand and what you are trying to say with the question "When disputes arose among the apostles how did they settle them?

What is your answer to this?
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What do you think the answer is?
 
Joab_Anias said:
I believe that all Catholics must exeplify the brotherly relationship of the apostles among themselves among their bishops and we do. Only one brother was a traitor and he hung himself. He was then replaced. When disputes arose among the apostles how do you think they settled them?
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Not by blindly following Peter.
 
Joab Anias,

Are you aware that the ancient churches of Constantinople,Antioch,Jerusalem ,Alexandria,and the churches of Russia ,Serbia,Georgia,Cyprus,Greece,Romania,Bulgaria all are independant churches each with its own bishops and one head bishop who is not under any other higher bishop or church authority.

Are you aware that they are all self governing and independant churches ?
 
Joab_Anias said:
Such sentimentality is contrary to the following of the Holy Spirit to where He has led us in the present and a denial of the will of God who desires to lead us into all truth; Not to stop in our tracks and hold fast in fear of His direction through the Catholic Church. When Lots wife looked back she became frozen.
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So why not join the UCC? I’m sure they’d be glad to teach you to be even more progressive. . . .

Edwin
 
psalmody said:
Joab Anias,

Are you aware that the ancient churches of Constantinople,Antioch,Jerusalem ,Alexandria,and the churches of Russia ,Serbia,Georgia,Cyprus,Greece,Romania,Bulgaria all are independant churches each with its own bishops and one head bishop who is not under any other higher bishop or church authority.

Are you aware that they are all self governing and independant churches ?
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I believe in ONE, holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
 
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