Why would a straight person leave the Catholic Church over our teaching on gay marriage?

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You can argue the passage doesn’t command to kill, but it also isn’t simply stating they ‘deserve’ death.
 
Well it makes more sense if you read the surrounding bible verses.
 
Yeah but that quote by itself gives a different message and most people are probably not going to look up the whole context. It is not even a complete verse.
 
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Yeah but that quote by itself gives a different message and most people are probably not going to look up the whole context. It is not even a complete verse.
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The whole text was given in post #5. You responded to it in post #8. I assumed you remembered it since it was only 6 hours ago.
 
Well I didn’t read the whole thing so I am sorry for my bad attention span.
 
What if I just read from Numbers when Moses and the town find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath and God confirmed to Moses that it’s up to them to stone him to death? Who was misinterpreting the passage there? Or was that a special case?
 
That’s in a different part of scripture. Plus that’s not part of Church teaching.
 
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The Righteous Shall Live by Faith (Ro 1:16-17)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness (Ro 1:18-32)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
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For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” -Ro 3:19-12
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I find it remarkable that some ignore the relationship between Christians and the Old Covenant. It often manifests itself as the silly arguments involving mixed fibres and shrimp so not seeing them here is a slight improvement.
 
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Well it kind of wasn’t relevant to the assertion that Saint Paul was asking for them to be killed.
 
The original point, made by DarkLight was: “Imagine telling a straight Catholic man that he couldn’t talk about his girlfriends or later his wife with his family, and that he should keep the fact that he wanted to marry a woman under wraps. Even if he does get married, he should keep it quiet because people don’t want his lifestyle choices rubbed in their faces.”

I was refuting that point by saying, everybody knows that this would never happen precisely because a man loving his wife is the gold standard for what sex was meant to be.

You, Thorolfr, are the product of a heterosexual relationship, no doubt, so intuitively you know that that is what is normal. The fact that society continues to grow by the product of married love tells us that the relationship is ordered to good.

You may never want kids and you may falsely believe the world is overpopulated but that is not central to the truth. The truth is a straight man married to his wife never needs to hide this, but a gay guy does have to hide his relationship because he knows it’s wrong, or his parents may not approve.
 
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That disturbing assertion is often based on the premise the penalties in the Old Testament would still apply to Christians. But that ignores the fact Jesus showed mercy to the woman accused of adultery. It ignores what the Catholic Church, Luther and the Reformists have written. (Apologies to the Eastern Orthodox people)
Paul’s point wasn’t to order executions but contrast what all people deserve and what Christ did on the Cross. For about 10 chapters. I don’t know how people can miss this.
 
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The certainty with which many people on this forum divine the thoughts and motives of others never ceases to amaze me. I never knew telepathy was a gift of the Holy Spirit.
 
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The truth is a straight man married to his wife never needs to hide this, but a gay guy does have to hide his relationship because he knows it’s wrong, or his parents may not approve.
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What makes you think that most gay guys hide the fact that they’re gay or that they have same-sex partners? They might have hidden their sexual orientation in the past, but in the majority of cases, I doubt that it was because they thought that being gay is wrong. They probably did it because they were afraid of losing their jobs, or being bullied or beat up or in some cases being disowned by their families. But things are not the way they used to be, at least not in some places. I don’t hide the fact that I’m gay or that I have a same-sex partner. My parents know, all my relatives know, all my friends know, the members of the Lutheran church I have attended know.

And yes, I do think that the world is getting overpopulated. There’s only a finite amount of resources on our planet. They aren’t inexhaustible.
 
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Many people simply think that this teaching of the Church is unfair to homosexuals. They might have a gay brother or sister and they think it would be cruel for the Church to not allow them to get “married” to their same-sex partner in the Church.

The reality is that the Church is not being cruel. The Church won’t allow “gay marriage” because there is no such thing in God’s eyes. “Gay marriage” is completely and totally manmade. Marriage, as it really is, is a lifelong union between one man and one woman.

There is also the fact that homosexual sex is gravely sinful. Sex is obviously going to be part of the vast majority of marriages. Therefore, by telling homosexuals that they can’t get “married” in the Church, the Church is avoiding an implicit condoning of homosexual sex that would obviously occur in any same-sex “marriage”.
 
you don’t have to be gay to support same-sex marriage. Maybe she’s liberal on that issue and wants a more progressive church?
 
Also it’s one thing to refuse to perform gay marriages in the church, which most gay marriage supporters aren’t expecting, and another to stand in the way of gay marriages being performed anywhere, which is pushing ones religion on others.

As there’s no gay marriage in Catholicism there’s also no “second marriages”. But you rarely see discussions about banning divorce and remarriage for non-Catholics in civil law. That selective enforcement is where many accusations of unfair treatment come from.
 
No disrespect, but this post is kind of…dense. Obviously, I don’t think anyone should leave the Church over it, but do you really not understand why straight people would be upset over what they perceive as injustice to gay people?

It’s like saying, “I don’t know why Catholics are so upset about abortion. Why do you care if you’re not a fetus?”
 
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