Why would a straight person leave the Catholic Church over our teaching on gay marriage?

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See, if you’re not already coming from a Catholic perspective, the jump from “fertile heterosexual relationships are important for the continuation of the human race” to “heterosexual relationships are the only sort that should be celebrated” is not obvious to many people at all.

You have a very Catholic hidden premise there, that the teleological function of something is important to its ultimate moral use. But many outside the Church don’t see it as important at all - and really, it only even makes sense if you already believe our bodies are designed for some sort of purpose.

And it’s not like gay people want people who want to have heterosexual sex resulting in babies to stop having babies, just because they’re gay. To reiterate my point upthread, they would see their choice (to engage in sexual acts that can’t produce babies) as morally equivalent to my choice (to not engage in sexual acts at all) - after all, neither are going to produce babies.

It’s always very easy to see what you’ve always been taught and accept as something that’s really obvious to everyone. When I was a baptist, it was clear to me that Catholics were denying the plain meaning of scripture, and it could only be attributed at best to not having actually read the Bible.
 
Holly3278 said:
Many people simply think that this teaching of the Church is unfair to homosexuals. They might have a gay brother or sister and they think it would be cruel for the Church to not allow them to get “married” to their same-sex partner in the Church.
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I don’t know why everyone always brings up the idea that lots of gay people want to get married in the Catholic church or want to force the Catholic church to allow this. Same-sex marriage wasn’t even allowed for most gay people in the US until only 3 years ago. I think that most LGBT people are upset more by the way that the Catholic Church talks about them, saying, for example, that homosexuality is “a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil” or that homosexual acts are “acts of grave depravity” and are “intrinsically disordered” and that “under no circumstances can they be approved.” And then there are statements like this one in On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons which basically blames gay people for any violence against them and says that they don’t deserve any legal protections of any sort:
But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behaviour to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.
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JanSobieskiIII said:
And they’d be wrong. They don’t get to decide that.
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I mean…we kind of do. Of course as a Catholic I think they’ve made the wrong choice. But at the end of the day everyone must evaluate which of the voices in the world claiming to represent what God wants us to do is right.

The fundamental question here is “can people be sincere in their error.”
 
No human can change church Doctrine that’s been revealed from God, you can turn your back on truth but that doesn’t make you right is what I was getting at.
 
No person can change doctrine. But we have done a lousy job convincing people the Church has the Truth and a lot of people’s sincerely formed consciences have taken a left turn at Albuquerque.
 
Where on Earth do you live? In all Western countries birth rate is below population sustainability…in Europe-well below.
 
I know quite a few people who have left the Church because of this.

According to Our Lady, the final battle will be over marriage and the family. Abortion and Marriage are the most topical subjects for this reason.

People will leave at the drop of a dime, even if it doesn’t have anything to do with them specifically.

Just like yesterday’s reading says “And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed…”
 
The answer is no. They just chose sexual pleasure over God because bearing a cross is unfair and God should make it fair for everyone right? No disabled people, no life altering accidents, no SSA without being able to have sex, no dead children, etc etc.
 
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Many liberals place more importance on their political ideology than on the teachings of Jesus. It is the same reason we see politicians who identify as ‘Catholic’ promote pro abortion policies. Basically ‘my will’ before Thy will.
 
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Monica83 said:
Where on Earth do you live? In all Western countries birth rate is below population sustainability…in Europe-well below.
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The population in the US is not exactly decreasing. Between July 1, 2014 and July 1, 2017, the population increased from 318.56 million to 325.15 million or 6.59 million in three years. If we’re worried about population sustainability, there’s always immigration, isn’t there?

And where I live in California, the population has increased from 15.72 million in 1960 (I was born in 1961) to 39.54 million last year. The population in California is projected to reach 50 million by 2050. That means that cities are becoming much more crowded than what they used to be. Water, in particular, is becoming a problem. The water supply will have to be increased to meet the rising demands both for people and for agriculture, but the ability to do this is limited.
 
Except we’re talking about straight, married people. How would they be choosing their own sexual pleasure over God’s will? Must all people who support homosexuality be secretly gay?

It astounds me how much people reach for some reason to presume that everyone else secretly knows that what they believe is really true and is just lying to themselves.
 
Well straight married people don’t like “unfair” God either. How could a loving God create disabilities, let children die, let life altering accidents happen, create someone with an inclination for SSA without letting them give into their desires?
 
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Lol oh yes…temporarily fix it with immigration and then teach the poor immigrants to abort any unwanted offspring like the black women in NYC do. They abort more children than they birth there.
 
DarkLight said:
It astounds me how much people reach for some reason to presume that everyone else secretly knows that what they believe is really true and is just lying to themselves.
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I’m tellin ya, it’s that 8th Gift of the Holy Spirit!
 
Monica83 said:
Lol oh yes…temporarily fix it with immigration and then teach the poor immigrants to abort any unwanted offspring like the black women in NYC do. They abort more children than they birth there.
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That’s quite a jump from what he was talking about.
 
MP_Kid said:
Do you see straight people leaving the church because we say that premarital sex is wrong or using condoms is wrong? No. You do not.
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Yeah, you actually do. Read the Pew Research on what many Catholics think about birth control in general.
 
Says the person who was race-baiting six posts ago.
 
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