Why?

[Khalfan]

I’ll let someone with more expertise answer this one. I’m not that good at research. By the way, I’m still waiting for a Muslim to answer why Allah stated in the Quran that the stars were created as missiles to throw at the jinns! I’ve asked this many times and have never got an answer either!

Vickie

Becasue stars are created to throw at jinns. Unless any can disprove it, no Muslim have to prove it but to believe as a statement of God. If science grow enough to know the defenition of JINN and full details of stars, we discuss this at that time.

 

[Khalfan]

How do you know this for sure??

Vickie

I am not sure but that is what mentioned in the Quran. Can you disprove it?

 

[Khalfan]

It isn’t a nonsense question! You had told me to provide the verses in the Quran about the earth being flat!

And how are carpets spread out?? Flat!

Vickie

Yes. Flat. Just covered the earth. The earth may seem flat to a layman with naural eyes. It will become his understanding unless he can do an experiment on it like we can do it today. But 2 or 3000 years ago, the situation was like the understanding of layman. That is why we find in the Bible, the impression of flat earth. Take the insidence of dream that David saw. In the dream he saw a tree grown upto heaven which could be seen by all the kingdoms in earth. Another event, while Devil took Jesus (pbuh) on top the mountain and showed all the kingdoms on earth. How both could happen unless the earth is flat?

 

[Khalfan]

Bestsmileys.com part of “it’s not a punishment for the child, it’s a discipline to be practiced by the parents” is not clear to you???
What part of “ancient Jewish law does not equal the law of Christ” is not clear to you??

Becasue it was the innocent children kept away from the congregation, not the sinful parents.

You only said, Jesus (pbuh) came to REPLACE the law.

See, I think you are creating the “difficulties” you have. (Anything to keep from admitting that you are like the rest of us, and need the one & only Saviour…Sad. Very, very sad, to see how blind people can be, to Him).

No. I am not, for sure.

 

[Khalfan]

The Qur’an speaks in various passages about the people of Aad, and about their destruction by terrible tornado as punishment from Allah for their disobedience.

The Qur’an, however, contradicts itself in the number of days this wind endured.

Lo! We let loose on them a raging wind on a day of constant calamity, [54:19]
Therefor We let loose on them a raging wind in evil days, that We might make them taste the torment of disgrace in the life of the world. And verily the doom of the Hereafter will be more shameful, and they will not be helped. [41:16]

And as for A’ad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind, Which He imposed on them for seven long nights and eight long days so that thou mightest have seen men lying overthrown, as they were hollow trunks of palm-trees. [69:6-7]

According to Sura 54:19, the wind continued for a single day, while 41:16 uses the plural form indicating at least three days, and 69:7 specifies exactly eight days

This is a quote taken from answering-islam. We can continue like this till dawn.

People, can’t you discuss deep things? are all your discussions on this level? is this the best your theology can give:coffeeread:

It was eight days. They lost everything on the first day itself. but the wind continued till eight days.

I think ‘word of God’ is a serious topic.

 

[Khalfan]

Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?”
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He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. 13 If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Matthew

An official asked him this question, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
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Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. Luke

“Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
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Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? 3 No one is good but God alone.
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You know the commandments: Mark

Question:
Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?"
Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

and the answer is the same.

I still fail to see the problem.

I quoted from nccbuscc.org/

Choose the actual question from it that happened in reality.

Question:

Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?"
Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Choose the actual answer from it that happened in reality.

Answer:

“Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good.”

“Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”

Hope you understand my question now. Or still you want me to explain?

 

[Khalfan]

A very important point must be explained whenever a Christian-Muslim dialogue is at hand.

In Judeo-Christianity, being inspired does not mean that an angel appeared to x and shook the heck out of him and commanded him to write/read. Spirits who appear to prophets , and who frighten them making a prophet unable to distinguish between an angel and being demon-possessed is Mohammad’s scenario am afraid.Still yet we have discrepancies in the Quran when the author is supposed to be one

In other words, being inspired does NOT mean that 40 people write the same exact words. It means that God inspires each one to write about either a different thing or the same thing using the person’s own style and expression and personality; Inspiration does not mean you become some angel’s robot

So this “they did not utter the same word” scenario is really alien to Jews and Christians. So yes different people can write about the same event with different details that might look strange because one has to put in mind that the audiance is different, the author is different, and the end for writting is different, the means of convincing is different. You don’t give a Jew the same details you’d give a pagan and you don’t explain to a Jew in the same way you explain to a pagan.

Example, To a Jew, i have to add the detail that 2 people saw that Jesus did x,y,z because in the Jewish Law there must be 2 or more witnesses otherwise a Jew will not be convinced. If, however, i am telling the same thing to a pagan, i don’t have to mention that more than 2 witnesses were present because that’s not an issue to a pagan. This does not mean that there is a descripancy in both accounts; it just reflects the fact that both accounts were written to different people with different emphasis.

Please answer the post no 65. I think that answer will answer this post too.

Would you mind answering these questions too? Or may be either one?
A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. When the women arrived…

They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
Mary Magdelene first met the resurrected Jesus…

Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me… (John 20:11 to 17)

 

[Khalfan]

Khalfan, here is an advice from someone who is used to these same questions from Muslims time after time because muslims project their ideas on our scriptures. The gospels as you surely know by now are written by different people…logic follows that you will find different details about the same event Now if you believe that the author of the Quran is only one, then how come we find the same passages repeated many times with different details? did Allah forget the details the first time and had to “insert” them in another “revelation”? or was he learning history from someone?well the gospels are totally different…they were written by MANY and you are objecting to the different details yet your book was written by supposedly one and you raise no eyebrow as to why details vary if the author is one? reconcile the events in the gospels is all you need to form a general picture of what could have happened since they were not written so that you make a movie out of them but to preach to you about God’s love and salvation.

What was the first book written in NT?

 

[Booklover]

Becasue stars are created to throw at jinns. Unless any can disprove it, no Muslim have to prove it but to believe as a statement of God. If science grow enough to know the defenition of JINN and full details of stars, we discuss this at that time.

Dear Khalfan, you can’t be serious! This is hilarious! This is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard.

Have you checked your belief with any astronomers?? So if Muhammad had stated in the Quran that the moon was made of green cheese, you’d believe that as well I suppose! :hypno:

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

I am not sure but that is what mentioned in the Quran. Can you disprove it?

No, but neither can you prove it! I do not put my faith on anyone’s so-called “private revelations”!

This is what the Catechism states about private revelations:

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private’ revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. The do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant forever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.

Vickie

 

[Zooey]

No, but neither can you prove it! I do not put my faith on anyone’s so-called “private revelations”!

This is what the Catechism states about private revelations:

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private’ revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. The do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant forever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.

Vickie

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Zooey:

See, I think you are creating the “difficulties” you have. (Anything to keep from admitting that you are like the rest of us, and need the one & only Saviour…Sad. Very, very sad, to see how blind people can be, to Him).

khalfan:

No. I am not, for sure.

You have just proved my point…:nope: :nope:

 

[inJESUS]

Originally Posted by Khalfan
Becasue stars are created to throw at jinns.

surely not Muslim Jinns right? these were Muhammad’s friends did you know that Muhammad spent a whole day with Jinns? i wonder why but well that’s your Sunna

regarding all the NT differences, do you think that we Christians are so stupid? when we want to corrupt a book, would it be hard for us to write the same thing everywhere? wouldn’t that make you feel “better” as a Muslim because " ooyy all the words are the same= no corruption= word of God…is that your logic or what?

Most of the NT accounts are not the same you know why? because the saints that wrote them did not have in mind people like you, people who dare to question God’s word validity. What they had in mind is preaching you the good news, the BROAD message of salvation. When you read any of the passages you quoted, do you get the message? i bet you do. That’s what matters. So if you expect the gospels to be 4 exact replicas, then you’re still not ready to discuss the NT.

 

[Booklover]

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Thanks for the blessing fellow kitty lover! Bless you too!

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

Dear Khalfan, you can’t be serious! This is hilarious! This is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard.

Have you checked your belief with any astronomers?? So if Muhammad had stated in the Quran that the moon was made of green cheese, you’d believe that as well I suppose! :hypno:

Vickie

No. That cannot be the most hilarious. If you really think so, you neve read OT.

• Is God limited in power? Check Judges 1:19. God could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
• Was God feared of man? If mankind and the salvation was his plan from the beginning, how could he be feared of man for man’s doing? Check Genesis 3:22.
• Does God command stupidity? Joshua 10:12. He asks son to stop to make the day longer.
• If the sun was created on the third day (Genesis 1:13-18), how possibly the first 2 days and nights came into existence without the sun? May be God was the source of the light for the first two days; but the earth doesn’t move/rotate (1 Chr 16:30, Psalms 93:1, 96:10), how the day and night, morning and evening happened?
• Did you ever try the qualification test of the true believer as per Mark 16:17-18? Is there any true believer alive who did this test?
• How far the bitter water test (Num 5:12-31) is practical? Is there any priest alive who can do this?
• Weren’t there rainbow before flood during Noah’s period, as God says he set the rainbow as a token of covenant? Check Genesis 9:17.
• Is there anyone ever lived, who could do greater works than God/Jesus did, since he himself said they would (John 14:12)? The context is clearly referring to miracles.
• What is the possibility for a son can be two years older than his father? It is possible in Bible!!! Check 2 Chronicles 21:20 up to 22:2. Jehoram was 40 year old when died. His son Ahaziah was 42 when became king of Judah.
• Asa Baasha dead at 24th year of his reign (1 Kings 15:33). But he built up a city called Ramah at 36th year of his reign!!! Check 2 Chronicles 16:1.

 

[Khalfan]

Dear Khalfan, you can’t be serious! This is hilarious! This is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard.

Have you checked your belief with any astronomers?? So if Muhammad had stated in the Quran that the moon was made of green cheese, you’d believe that as well I suppose! :hypno:

Vickie

2 Samuel 22:11 "And He rode on a cherub and flew; And He appeared on the wings of the wind.

Psalm 18:10 He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind.

Do you believe God rides cherubims? I hope you kow Cherubims. That little girls like angels with wings…

 

[Khalfan]

surely not Muslim Jinns right? these were Muhammad’s friends did you know that Muhammad spent a whole day with Jinns? i wonder why but well that’s your Sunna

regarding all the NT differences, do you think that we Christians are so stupid? when we want to corrupt a book, would it be hard for us to write the same thing everywhere? wouldn’t that make you feel “better” as a Muslim because " ooyy all the words are the same= no corruption= word of God…is that your logic or what?

Most of the NT accounts are not the same you know why? because the saints that wrote them did not have in mind people like you, people who dare to question God’s word validity. What they had in mind is preaching you the good news, the BROAD message of salvation. When you read any of the passages you quoted, do you get the message? i bet you do. That’s what matters. So if you expect the gospels to be 4 exact replicas, then you’re still not ready to discuss the NT.

Do yuo know the first NT book written?

 

[Khalfan]

No, but neither can you prove it! I do not put my faith on anyone’s so-called “private revelations”!

This is what the Catechism states about private revelations:

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private’ revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. The do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

73 God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant forever. The Son is his Father’s definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.

Vickie

But you believe in the ‘private revelations’ of Paul.

 

[Khalfan]

surely not Muslim Jinns right? these were Muhammad’s friends did you know that Muhammad spent a whole day with Jinns? i wonder why but well that’s your Sunna

regarding all the NT differences, do you think that we Christians are so stupid? when we want to corrupt a book, would it be hard for us to write the same thing everywhere? wouldn’t that make you feel “better” as a Muslim because " ooyy all the words are the same= no corruption= word of God…is that your logic or what?

Most of the NT accounts are not the same you know why? because the saints that wrote them did not have in mind people like you, people who dare to question God’s word validity. What they had in mind is preaching you the good news, the BROAD message of salvation. When you read any of the passages you quoted, do you get the message? i bet you do. That’s what matters. So if you expect the gospels to be 4 exact replicas, then you’re still not ready to discuss the NT.

Tell me, who wrote 1 john 5:7 and what was originally written?

 

[Khalfan]

It’s been long time I got an answer for any of my questions.

:yawn: :coffeeread: :juggle:

Is there any learned Christians?

:nope: :nope: :nope:

 

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