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Khalfan said:
2 Samuel 22:11 "And He rode on a cherub and flew; And He appeared on the wings of the wind.

Psalm 18:10 He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind.

Do you believe God rides cherubims? I hope you kow Cherubims. That little girls like angels with wings… :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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We could go on and on with stuff such as this! Doesn’t the Quran mention that the sun sleeps under Allah’s throne at night?

You keep claiming our books contain ridiculous things and so does yours!

Vickie
 
Khalfan said:
Choose the actual question from it that happened in reality.

Question:

Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?"
Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Choose the actual answer from it that happened in reality.

Answer:

“Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good.”

“Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”

Hope you understand my question now. Or still you want me to explain?
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I note that you repeat a number of nit picky points that atheists have developed in objection to the Holy Scriptures. If you pick them as judges over us, you have to accept the same approach as they have done to the Quran.

On this passage, if you are interested in some sort of historiography:
1: You have to try to reconstruct the original Aramaic, as it is recorded in Greek but was said in Aramaic. The two in English are close to harmonize to begin with, more so in Aramaic (gain/inherit can be one word).
2. “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone” The format of question upon question was/is a standard of rabbinic discourse.
3. Implication, the Gospel writers are saying something about someone who was not interested in really knowing about good (look at the ending of the story) and feigned piety, to which Christ asked, knowing his heart “Why are you asking me about the good? There is only One who is good,” taking issue with the feigned piety as if to say “do you know Who I AM?, and the implications of asking Me? Do not ask questioned you do not want answered, as I can tell you what is good, for I am God” and “No one is good but God alone.”
The message was lost on the rich man.
The message was us: saying Christ can tell you what is good implies His Divinity, and if you acknowledge that, it implies obedience to what He says, as the demons know He is God and shudder.

On another note: Comparing the Gospels to the Sunnah/hadith corpus is more on point because of similiar history (except the Gospels are eyewitness in two cases, and closer to the events cf. beginning of St. Luke) and function within the religious system, i.e. Christians proclaim Christ as the Word of God, the Muslims claim the Quran is the word of God.
Also since the Quran makes so much of the title of Christ (al-masiiH) and calls Him the Word of God, what does that mean?
 
Khalfan, nobody is answering you because nobody here takes you seriously. That should be obvious by now. I don’t know what you think you are accomplishing at this point with your disingenuous questions.
 
exoflare said:
Khalfan, nobody is answering you because nobody here takes you seriously. That should be obvious by now. I don’t know what you think you are accomplishing at this point with your disingenuous questions.
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Exactly!!!
I mean, Khalfan, I’m sorry, man, but when you don’t come up with anything better than thathttp://bestsmileys.com/lol/10.gif stars really are to throw athttp://bestsmileys.com/lol/13.gif jinns…
When you http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/5.gifdon’t even know what a cherub is…

How can we possibly take you seriously???
 
Khalfan said:
But you believe in the ‘private revelations’ of Paul.
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Yes, I do! No one who is touched by God in such a special way remains the same! Paul was an ardent persecutor of Christians. After his encounter with Jesus, he not only joined the people he had previously persecuted, but died a martyr for the faith as well!

Why do you not accept Paul’s conversion and yet so readily accept what Muhammad claimed??

Vickie
 
Booklover said:
Yes, I do! No one who is touched by God in such a special way remains the same! Paul was an ardent persecutor of Christians. After his encounter with Jesus, he not only joined the people he had previously persecuted, but died a martyr for the faith as well!

Why do you not accept Paul’s conversion and yet so readily accept what Muhammad claimed??

Vickie
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But you said, you don’t believe in private revelations. Do you believe in the private revelations of Elle G. White?
 
exoflare said:
Khalfan, nobody is answering you because nobody here takes you seriously. That should be obvious by now. I don’t know what you think you are accomplishing at this point with your disingenuous questions.
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I made my point then. But I think any learned Christian can answer those questions. Its not that complicated.
 
Khalfan said:
According to Christian apologetics, four gospels are different angles of the same events. Can anyone combine these four gospels of the same events and make it into a scene as it happened in reality?
In the gospel of Mark (10:17-18. see Luke 18:18-19), a man is reported to have asked Jesus, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? "Jesus (P) simply replied, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother.’ "

Look at the same event in Matthew. “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. …” (Matthew 19:16-17)
The exact wording on the cross was…
This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. When the women arrived…

They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
Mary Magdelene first met the resurrected Jesus…

Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me… (John 20:11 to 17)

Can anyone help me?
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How wonderful that you are reading and meditating upon the Sacred Scriptures. The synoptic accounts (Matthew, Mark and Luke) follow a similar pattern. The details may vary to a certain degree as you have keenly observed, but the essentials remain quite similar. Since the accounts appear in more than one gospel these events certainly made an impression upon the early Christians.

As for John’s gospel, you must carefully consider it’s perspective. It tells the story of Jesus as understood through the eyes of post-resurrection faith. It does not give an exact historical play by play account of the life and ministry of Jesus, but gives witness of Jesus as the risen and triumphant Christ to encourage the faithful who were both confronted and dismayed by the rise of gnosticism.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
I note that you repeat a number of nit picky points that atheists have developed in objection to the Holy Scriptures. If you pick them as judges over us, you have to accept the same approach as they have done to the Quran.

On this passage, if you are interested in some sort of historiography:
1: You have to try to reconstruct the original Aramaic, as it is recorded in Greek but was said in Aramaic. The two in English are close to harmonize to begin with, more so in Aramaic (gain/inherit can be one word).
2. “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone” The format of question upon question was/is a standard of rabbinic discourse.
3. Implication, the Gospel writers are saying something about someone who was not interested in really knowing about good (look at the ending of the story) and feigned piety, to which Christ asked, knowing his heart “Why are you asking me about the good? There is only One who is good,” taking issue with the feigned piety as if to say “do you know Who I AM?, and the implications of asking Me? Do not ask questioned you do not want answered, as I can tell you what is good, for I am God” and “No one is good but God alone.”
The message was lost on the rich man.
The message was us: saying Christ can tell you what is good implies His Divinity, and if you acknowledge that, it implies obedience to what He says, as the demons know He is God and shudder.
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Why always you people have to interpret something to imply Christianity, when the verses doesn’t contain even 1% of that concept? I have seen it many times. While you quote ‘I and and father are one’ to imply divinity of Jesus (pbuh), you quote it leterally. But when the anti-christians quote the oneness of of Jesus, dosciples and all the believers, “OH NO… there it is literal, here it is metaphorical”. Now if you check KJV, there is no question “why do you ask me about what is Good?” And all your answers were for that, which is not there in your Bible.
On another note: Comparing the Gospels to the Sunnah/hadith corpus is more on point because of similiar history (except the Gospels are eyewitness in two cases, and closer to the events cf. beginning of St. Luke) and function within the religious system, i.e. Christians proclaim Christ as the Word of God, the Muslims claim the Quran is the word of God.
Also since the Quran makes so much of the title of Christ (al-masiiH) and calls Him the Word of God, what does that mean?
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You worship the ‘word’ which we don’t. We don’t worship Quran. That is the difference.
 
AKG said:
How wonderful that you are reading and meditating upon the Sacred Scriptures. The synoptic accounts (Matthew, Mark and Luke) follow a similar pattern. The details may vary to a certain degree as you have keenly observed, but the essentials remain quite similar. Since the accounts appear in more than one gospel these events certainly made an impression upon the early Christians.

As for John’s gospel, you must carefully consider it’s perspective. It tells the story of Jesus as understood through the eyes of post-resurrection faith. It does not give an exact historical play by play account of the life and ministry of Jesus, but gives witness of Jesus as the risen and triumphant Christ to encourage the faithful who were both confronted and dismayed by the rise of gnosticism.
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So, can there be contradictions?
 
Booklover said:
We could go on and on with stuff such as this! Doesn’t the Quran mention that the sun sleeps under Allah’s throne at night?

You keep claiming our books contain ridiculous things and so does yours!

Vickie
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To QUE QUE, is that the word you said?

Answer my question, instead of QQ.

Do you believe God rides cherubims?
 
jpasta said:
Estimated Range of Dating: 90-120 C.E

5kai to fwV en th skotia fainei, kai h skotia auto ou katelaben. 6egeneto anqrwpoV apestalmenoV para qeou, onoma autw iwannhV: 7outoV hlqen eiV marturian, ina marturhsh peri tou fwtoV, ina panteV pisteuswsin di autou

🙂
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Are you quoting from the ORIGINAL manuscript?
 
Khalfan said:
But you said, you don’t believe in private revelations. Do you believe in the private revelations of Elle G. White?
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I do not stake my immortal soul on anyone’s private revelations. Didn’t you read the post I made from the catechism? I do not know who Elle G. White is so I cannot comment, but if her teachings differed from those of the Church, I definitely would not accept them.

You still have not answered my question about Paul and Muhammad??

Your whole position is that you have accepted what Muhammad claimed without any further proof. If Muhamad told the truth, that’s fine for you, but if he didn’t, then you’re believing a lie!

Vickie
 
Khalfan said:
So, can there be contradictions?
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Many people have raised this same question. It depends on what you mean by “contradictions.” Yes there are many difficulties found in the Sacred Scriptures, yet the entire Canon is indeed the inspired Word of God. Catholics such as myself recognize the Sacred Scriptures as God’s Word in human language. The Sacred Scriptures are a collection of inspired writings which we do not assume are intended to be historically or scientifically accurate in every detail. Please note that the Sacred Scriptures did not suddenly drop down miraculously from the sky, nor were the words contained therein dictated to each of the many human authors directly by God.

I write these things to you in order that you will better understand and appreciate the Sacred Scriptures as they are intended, and invite you to more carefully examine them and reflect upon them.

To more completely address this important question and what has seemingly motivated you to raise it may I suggest that you consult Answering Islam by Norman Geisler and Abdul Saleeb and The Bible and the Qur’an by Jacques Jomier.

May Allah bless you and may you encounter and experience the comfort of mother Miryam and the peace of her beloved Son, Issa.
 
Khalfan said:
I made my point then. But I think any learned Christian can answer those questions. Its not that complicated.
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Yes, but you’ve made it clear already that you do NOT care about getting answers to those questions. You are only here to try and waste people’s time, repeatedly spamming the boards with trivial questions that you think are going to “stump” them.

Taking you seriously would be as big a waste of time as that little child who keeps repeating “why??” as a knee-jerk reaction to every answer, because that is basically what you are doing here.
 
LOL I just realized “why?” is actually the title of this thread… 😛
 
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