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Religio71
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why do SOOO many people like diet coke? If anything is a cult, it’s the Cult of Diet Coke.
Seriously!
Pepsi for me.
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Seriously!
Pepsi for me.
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PaulDupre
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All the Mormons I know consume vast quantities of “liquid caffienated consumables”, especially Diet Coke and Mountain Dew. If the LDS leadership was really concerned with the health of their followers, they would forbid these poisons and allow coffee and tea, which in moderation have been proven healthful.
The “Word of Wisdom”, the “revelation” claimed by Jospeh Smith, makes no mention of coffee or tea. That was a later interpretation by LDS leaders.
However, the LDS leadership has admitted that they forbid (and demonize) coffee and tea so as to separate their followers from the rest of society. Nearly every social gathering of Christians serves coffee and/or tea. By forbidding these substances and characterizing them as evil, the LDS leadership effectively insulates their followers from any social interaction with those who may expose them to non-LDS relationships and ideas.
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RebeccaJ
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Actually, nevermind, keep drinking it.
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dianaiad
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Yeah, well, there’s that.
However, given my weight and my risk for diabetes, I think that sugar is more dangerous for me.
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dianaiad
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I am currently making a quilt, with LOTS of little bitty patches with lots of intricate points. I am ripping a great deal of what I sew!!!That’s why the only clothing I sew are Halloween costumes.
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dianaiad
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My son feels the same way. He drinks Pepsi.
Just don’t tell his boss; he works for Coca Cola.
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dianaiad
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You are half right.
That is, the reason for abstaining from coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco was in very large part to separate the saints from everybody else; nothing is quite so efficient at that as dietary rules. However, the reason behind it wasn’t to keep us from joining neighborhood koffee klatches, Paul (sheesh, can you spell 'conspiracy theory")? It was to identify the saints TO THEMSELVES.
It was us making the promise, saying “We are Mormons. We don’t do that.” It is as simple, and as complex, as that. It’s not to keep us from joining you. It’s like you used to do…we are Catholics. We don’t eat meat on Friday. We are Jewish. We keep kosher. We are Amish. We live this way, not that. We are…who we are.
I mean, you CAN, if you wish, figure that the reason was to keep us from having a cuppa with the neighbors, but then by exactly the same reasoning, and with equal accuracy, claim that the reason Catholics used to eat fish on Fridays was so that they couldn’t go to the Mormon barbeque down the block, and that the reason they can eat meat on Fridays NOW is because there are enough Catholics around that the weekend barbeques are safe; you can plunk those hamburgers on the grill knowing that nobody is going to start asking you to speak in tongues after lunch.
Great googly moogly, Paul.
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dianaiad
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…oh, my.
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RebeccaJ
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Pretentious.
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zaffiroborant
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I hate ripping out what I sew!!! So when it comes to quilting I decided to go with paper piecing. It may be more of a “paint by numbers” kind of thing but my points are always sharp
For some reason though I like to do the actual quilting by hand, it’s very peaceful it gives you time for just thinking sort of like doing dishes or mowing the grass.
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dianaiad
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dianaiad:
OK, ‘pretentious’ is bad. I’d rather not be thought that. Pretentious people have no sense of humor, large vocabularies that they use incorrectly, an overwhelming need to appear worthy of their company coupled by a terminal case of low self esteem, an almost compulsive need to degrade, insult and demean others who are not of the group they want to belong to, and are generally despised.
Ok, I have some problems with the sense of humor. Mine is very odd. It shows up at inappropriate times, and is utterly lacking when almost everybody else is rolling on the floor. I have to admit to the self esteem issues, and I would rather be worthy of the company I keep, but I plead innocent to the need to insult, degrade and demean others, and trust me, I know the meaning of every word I use.
If that’s being pretentious, fine. I’d rather be that any day than be mean spirited.
RebeccaJ;:
followed almost immediately by:
RebeccaJ;:
I respond with:
And you think that response is pretentious.
OK, ‘pretentious’ is bad. I’d rather not be thought that. Pretentious people have no sense of humor, large vocabularies that they use incorrectly, an overwhelming need to appear worthy of their company coupled by a terminal case of low self esteem, an almost compulsive need to degrade, insult and demean others who are not of the group they want to belong to, and are generally despised.
Ok, I have some problems with the sense of humor. Mine is very odd. It shows up at inappropriate times, and is utterly lacking when almost everybody else is rolling on the floor. I have to admit to the self esteem issues, and I would rather be worthy of the company I keep, but I plead innocent to the need to insult, degrade and demean others, and trust me, I know the meaning of every word I use.
If that’s being pretentious, fine. I’d rather be that any day than be mean spirited.
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dianaiad
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I sent you a PM about the quilting…but for those who aren’t as ‘up’ on quilting as Zaf is, trust me, paper piecing is NOT a ‘paint by numbers’ sort of thing! It is one of the marks of a master quilter!I hate ripping out what I sew!!! So when it comes to quilting I decided to go with paper piecing. It may be more of a “paint by numbers” kind of thing but my points are always sharp
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zerinus
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I think that you had misunderstood my comments. I was talking about the quality of service rendered, not that they are all pedophile priests. I think there is much room for improvement in that, probably in Mormonism too.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Christians who hold to beliefs that go against Christian beliefs.
If that is the case then I can be a Mormon even though I do not hold to the beliefs of the LDS Church.
You can call yourself what ever you want, that does not make it so. You could call yourself a cat but by looking at you we know you are not a cat, but a human. So you call yourself Christian but when we look at your beliefs we know that you are not.
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MelanieAnne
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The local Mormon Stake President used to be my dentist and it would be simpler for him to just hook up himself of to an IV of Diet Coke he drinks so much of it.
That’s a big change from when I was a child (i.e. before there were any diet sodas, not even Tab or Diet Rite ~ I know ~ ancient history.) Back then my Mormon friends weren’t allowed Coke or Pepsi. To this day, even those who drink Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi at home wouldn’t DREAM of taking it to a Mormon gathering if their job is to bring the drinks ~ then it’s punch, orange soda, root beer, etc. ~ all non-caffeine drinks. So there’s this public/private difference.
I’ve also witnessed a Mormon woman, someone active enough to have a Temple Recommend, drink iced tea. Why? Because in her mind the rule is against HOT tea, not iced tea. So iced tea is OK. Similarly, many Mormons who live near me drink decaffeinated black tea, thinking that the rule is against caffeine.
Bottom line ~ the whole business of coffee and tea in the Mormon faith is, at the very least, full of misunderstanding and confusion, and, at least in some cases, a fair amount of hypocrisy.
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zaffiroborant
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Just to be clear here, I should have called the method I use foundation piecing. It really is a paint by numbers way of piecing. The method Dianaiad is referring to is the mark of a master quilter, and sadly it’s not a method I’m good at, I’m not a master quilter just a dabbler in quilting.
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PaulDupre
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You are wrong about meat on Fridays. We Catholics are supposed to deny ourselves something (or do something that involves sacrifice) on Fridays as a remembrance of Our Lord’s passion and as a penance for the sins of the world. One way to do that is to abstain from meat (and thus show solidarity with the poor, who could not afford meat). This practice was never instituted by a pope, but gradually arose among the people as they imitated the pious practices of certain religious orders.
But abstaining from meat is only one option for Friday penance. We can choose what act of sacrifice we will perform (ie: service to the less fortunate, almsgiving etc.). Even back in the old days this was true, though many Catholics and non-Catholics misunderstood it and thought it was just a rule that we couldn’t eat meat on Fridays.
It has nothing to do with separating us from others. In fact, for most of the time that practice has been around, there were no non-Catholic Christians from whom to separate.
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dianaiad
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Define 'Christian beliefs.".
Well, actually, you can. At least as far as I’m concerned you can; “Mormon” seems to apply to all those who believe in the Book of Mormon, and that Joseph Smith was a prophet, whether he stayed one or not, or whether Brigham Young was one or not. There are quite a few Mormon offshoots that are NOT LDS.
On the other hand, the CoJCoLDS may have a copyright claim on the name as a logo. (shrug)
So on one hand, purely as an identification of those who believe in the Book of Mormon, there are quite a few Mormons who are not LDS. On the other hand, there is copyright law…and that doesn’t apply to the word “Christian.”
Well, m’dear, you can look at a cat and call it a tree, too, but that tree is still going to go meow and sit on your keyboard. It’s a cat. So here’s the thing about being a Christian:
First, define it. You tell me what a Christian is.
Then tell me why you think that definition is the ‘true’ definition.
Then tell me why we should agree with it.
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dianaiad
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Perhaps. sin is in the intention. If your friend truly DOES believe that the prohibition is against HOT tea, then…it’s against hot tea only until she gets told differently by her bishop or someone who can correct her.
There are still quite a few Mormons who expand the prohibition to include all caffeinated drinks. For them, it includes all caffeinated drinks.
It is not a sin for you to drink coffee. For me it is. It is not a sin for me to have a ham sandwich. For my Jewish neighbor down the street, it is.
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dianaiad
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Thanks for the information; I didn’t know those details. Is this a part of the Tradition, sort of? Those practices and teachings that grow?
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