WhyMe and others: Can you Be Catholic and LDS at the same time?

[why_me]

This thread should have died a long time ago and it did but someone brought it back to life. It long ago lost its subject matter of being both catholic and mormon and it became a thread about me personally.

I know that it was a mistake to admit to being both catholic and mormon and I do have my regrets about doing so. It brought too much attention to me personally from certain posters.

 

[why_me]

And Religio, you did start this thread by using my screen name. Why? Was it too bait me? I gave you my answers in the very beginning but you could not accept my answers. In retrospect I should have stayed away from the thread. It is really no one’s business how I describe myself. It is between me and god. However, I decided to take away my religion as being lds and catholic. I see no point.

I am now happy go lucky! I like that much better. We all need to be happy go lucky. :bounce:

 

[Jerusha]

Now, Why Me, that is a step towards honesty. You have the perfect right to invent your own religioon. Just please don’t make the same mistakes JS made.

 

[Religio71]

Now, Why Me, that is a step towards honesty. You have the perfect right to invent your own religioon. Just please don’t make the same mistakes JS made.

So true. He doesn’t get that it isn’t about him personally. It is about whether it is possible to be both Catholic and Mormon, and he is one of two people I have noticed that claims this (the other also described himself as an “occultist”). It is also about whether listening to Divinely sanctioned authority (whether you believe that to be Mormon or Catholic) is important. To him (and basically to other religious relativists/universalists) it is not important, since what is important is how you “feel”.

And as predicted, he ran to MADB. Someone said “one of the reasons I greatly admire my Catholic brothers”, then he said “me too, but do they admire you?”. Someone mentioned to a Catholic that is about to revert back to LDS that maybe dual membership would be a good idea. Why me then proceeds to say that it is a good idea, and not to “make it public on a catholic forum”.

Again, he cannot help but dig at Catholics, as a Catholic.

Excuses for the Mormons, none for the Catholics

It is no one’s business how he describes himself, however it is our business if someone is taking advantage of the “privileges” of our Church family, in the same way that people debate about whether those that support various laws should partake in the sacraments. Many also want to know whether it is okay to break the rules and beliefs of both the LDS and Catholic Churches to practice and believe in both.

 

[Bill_Pick]

My sister is LDS/Mormon. She joined around a year ago. As far as I know, LDS members do not believe in the trinity and believe that salvation depends on our deeds as well as Jesus’ sacrifice. They also believe that Satan and Jesus were brothers and that God has a physical body.

I think that most of these LDS/Mormon beliefs would contradict Catholic beliefs.

The LDS do not believe as Cathloic or Christian on the Trioty,and is a cult, You can not be LDS and a Christian at the same time

 

[Religio71]

The LDS do not believe as Cathloic or Christian on the Trioty,and is a cult, You can not be LDS and a Christian at the same time

I wouldn’t call the LDS Church a cult. However, they do have various beliefs that make it incompatible with Catholicism (and Catholicism incompatible with Mormonism), and makes it completely illogical to do so. The most important is that the priesthood authority was taken away from this earth, and that it is restored only in the LDS Church. If this is the case, it makes absolutely no sense to be Catholic, since the Real Presence would not be there (since it is seen as an innovation from the Great Apostasy believed in by LDS), and none of the sacraments have any effect. So, one would just go to church because they like the statues and the candles and the smell of incense, and other externals. Another important difference is on God, where they believe that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, that God the Father is married to a Heavenly Mother, that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in purpose and will, but not substance, etc. All incompatible with Catholicism.

And one is not allowed to partake in the religious ceremonies of another religion (except Orthodoxy, which has apostolic succession, and only in certain circumstances). One can attend other services, but they should not partake in anything offered in them. But for universalists/relativists, who typically do not care about authority, this doesn’t matter, since it is more about what you “feel” and what you “think” is right, and not whether a Divinely inspired authority, LDS, Catholic, or whatever, says that it is wrong to do so.

This is why we have wishy washy cafeteria Catholics that pick and choose what they believe, and mix in a little from what they also “like” from elsewhere.

 

[why_me]

Now, Why Me, that is a step towards honesty. You have the perfect right to invent your own religioon. Just please don’t make the same mistakes JS made.

I feel good about my new found faith. I truly believe in being happy go lucky and use the movie Happy GO Lucky as my model. I am in the process of writing a book about a lost people who left africa and traveled to the New World. Lets see how it goes. :bounce:

 

[why_me]

And as predicted, he ran to MADB. Someone said “one of the reasons I greatly admire my Catholic brothers”, then he said “me too, but do they admire you?”.
Again, he cannot help but dig at Catholics, as a Catholic.

Catholics on this forum who post in the mormon threads have called the lds church satanic, cult and false. Also, a member on this forum has stated that she doesn’t trust a single mormon. I have not seen very many catholic posters take these posters to task. So my question is valid. And I may add that catholic posters have stated that mormons are liars. Is my question valid is the point at hand.

How lovely it would have been if certain posters could embrace love and mercy.

But now that I am happy go lucky I no longer have to defend being catholic and mormon. I am just happy go lucky.

 

[why_me]

The LDS do not believe as Cathloic or Christian on the Trioty,and is a cult, You can not be LDS and a Christian at the same time

A case in point of someone who needs to be happy go lucky. :bounce: Religio gave an intellectual response to a person who has constantly blackened the lds church with outragious statements on this forum. If only I could be so lucky.

 

[Jerusha]

I feel good about my new found faith. I truly believe in being happy go lucky and use the movie Happy GO Lucky as my model. I am in the process of writing a book about a lost people who left africa and traveled to the New World. Lets see how it goes. :bounce:

Sounds like fun. The Olmecs and Atlantis and all that. After all, all humans originally came from Africa, anyway. Now don’t try to put it into KJE. That would be one mistake.

 

[why_me]

:bounce:

Sounds like fun. The Olmecs and Atlantis and all that. After all, all humans originally came from Africa, anyway. Now don’t try to put it into KJE. That would be one mistake.

No, these people will travel by boat to the canary islands and then head to the new world. Now I only need to steal a manuscript to give me some ideas of direction. And then I will need a good story line to found my happy go lucky religion. I was thinking in terms of an angel appearing to me and directing me to a lost book somewhere in New Jersey near Hoboken. It will be called the happy go lucky book. Then I will need some witnesses that I actually found the book and did not write it myself. I was hoping for 11 people who can actually keep the secret for their entire life.

And the members of my religion will be called Luckies. Are you interested in becoming a witness and a lucky? First you have to learn to bounce: :bounce:

 

[zaffiroborant]

I have seen people who are not mormon take the mormon sacrament. There were no problems with these people taking the bread and water, if they felt worthy to do so. When I was investigating the lds, I also took their sacrament, no problem.

For some doctrinaire catholics, my daughters will be hell because they are mormon. And I don’t remember you contradicting these posters. I have been told this on this forum that mormons will be in hell. So, be it. If that is what hell is reserved for. You then can have your heaven filled with people who know their doctrine.

Now of course, I don’t see heaven that way at all. We are judged by our works and by our faith in Christ. Mormons, catholics, protestants, will all be together. Muslims, hindus, and all others who attempt to live by god’s law will be our heavenly neighbors. I certainly don’t see god giving a doctrine test to enter heaven.

I have not encouraged catholics to take the bread and water in lds sacrament meetings. Our friend is just a wee bit misrepresenting me, as usual.

Anything to say about your accusations against me?

 

[why_me]

Anything to say about your accusations against me?

It sort of goes against my new found faith to make accusations. Happy go luckies do not do that. However, you can do your own self reflection and come up with your own answer. I am sure that it will be the correct one.

 

[zaffiroborant]

It sort of goes against my new found faith to make accusations. Happy go luckies do not do that. However, you can do your own self reflection and come up with your own answer. I am sure that it will be the correct one.

Well then you aren’t any better a “happy go lucky” than you are a Catholic, since you did make accusations. Here let me refresh your memory.

I have seen people who are not mormon take the mormon sacrament. There were no problems with these people taking the bread and water, if they felt worthy to do so. When I was investigating the lds, I also took their sacrament, no problem.

For some doctrinaire catholics, my daughters will be hell because they are mormon. And I don’t remember you contradicting these posters. I have been told this on this forum that mormons will be in hell. So, be it. If that is what hell is reserved for. You then can have your heaven filled with people who know their doctrine.

Now of course, I don’t see heaven that way at all. We are judged by our works and by our faith in Christ. Mormons, catholics, protestants, will all be together. Muslims, hindus, and all others who attempt to live by god’s law will be our heavenly neighbors. I certainly don’t see god giving a doctrine test to enter heaven.

I have not encouraged catholics to take the bread and water in lds sacrament meetings. Our friend is just a wee bit misrepresenting me, as usual.

 

[twopekinguys]

Well then you aren’t any better a “happy go lucky” than you are a Catholic, since you did make accusations. Here let me refresh your memory.

You realize you will never get a response on this right?

 

[Religio71]

look at what a poor, hapless, innocent Mormon wrote over on MADB (on the “crazy almost ex-catholic…” thread):

The Catholic Church is the Great and Abominable church spoken of in the Book of Mormon. One of Moroni’s rebukes against Christianity in the days the Book of Mormon would come to light is that preachers would teach that for people’s money they can be forgiven of their sins. I heard it on Catholic radio myself a year ago, a church “father” was preaching on the doctrine of indulgence, stating that it was the right of the priests who hold the keys of St. Peter to extend grace to whomever for for whatever reason. Hence for your money, you can be extended “grace” for things you did or wanted to do.

All of those so called “Catholic” politicians you mentioned that don’t live the principles taught by the Catholic church were probably forgiven already by paying an indulgence.

In no way am I endorsing our politicians either. Reed, Romney, Hatch, they all stink too.

(it’s always funny when someone drops in indulgences in an argument, and doesn’t even get what they are!)

Guess the mods are still at church, but case in point (and there are MANY others over there). Mormons are not any more innocent and clean than Catholics. He just chooses to ALWAYS make Mormons the victims and Catholics the Inquisitors rolleyes: ).

 

[Jerusha]

And the members of my religion will be called Luckies. Are you interested in becoming a witness and a lucky? First you have to learn to bounce: :bounce:

Naw, that’s the JS bounce. Would only end up in tragedy. Good luck. I pray that you choose to do it the RIGHT way.

 

[why_me]

You realize you will never get a response on this right?

Zaff has stated that I have been encouraging catholics to take the mormon sacrament. Where in that post posted by Zaff am I encouraging catholics to take the mormon sacrament.

That post was in response to Religio about his statement that mormons do not allow nonmembers to take their sacrament. I disagreed with him by relating my own story. Nothing more. In other words, Zaff was wrong to imply that I was encouraging catholics to take the mormon sacrament.

Are you the catholic or the methodist? I think that you are the methodist.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I to am a member of a mixed marriage , I,m Cathloic and she is Baptist,did not word out now my children one is nothing (talking about church here) one just left a Baptist church and is in a non-den church and the other is still Baptist church,so my mixed marriage did not work

 

[Religio71]

Zaff has stated that I have been encouraging catholics to take the mormon sacrament. Where in that post posted by Zaff am I encouraging catholics to take the mormon sacrament.

That post was in response to Religio about his statement that mormons do not allow nonmembers to take their sacrament. I disagreed with him by relating my own story. Nothing more. In other words, Zaff was wrong to imply that I was encouraging catholics to take the mormon sacrament.

Are you the catholic or the methodist? I think that you are the methodist.

There is nothing wrong in the lds faith that would prevent you from taking the sacrament. And since some Catholics on this forum don’t believe that the lds church is christian it should be no problem for you to do so. Have a good moment observing difference.

That is such an illogical argument. Catholics, according to the Church, should not partake in the sacraments or ordinances of any other religion, Christian or non-Christian. You can attend other services (and I have done so in various types of religions), however you cannot partake in anything, especially when we think about the meaning of the word “Communion”. You have repeatedly said that it is okay, because Catholics think Mormons are non-Christian, so it’s just like eating bread and water. Is that based in Church teaching, or feelings? Again, a Catholic would not partake in the prasad (blessed food) at a Hindu temple, and they shouldn’t partake in the Mormon Sacrament, or the sacraments of Protestant churches either. Whether or not we consider a group Christian is irrelevant. It is the religious context that is important.

Also, I’ve repeatedly stated that the LDS sacrament is meant for those that are baptized, though others that are preparing to be baptized partake as well, such as children. The LDS Sacrament renews their baptismal covenants, and of course let’s think about the word “communion”. Therefore, Catholics should not partake in LDS Sacrament for those reasons at the least. If one wants bread and water, they can eat that at home before going. Next we’ll see him saying it’s okay for Catholics to go to a Hindu temple and eat the food offered to Shiva.

From the LDS Church Handbook of Instructions (Book 1 for Stake Presidencies and Bishoprics), page 37:

“Although the sacrament is for Church members, the bishopric should not announce that it will be passed to members only, and nothing should be done to prevent nonmembers from partaking of it”.

Obviously no one knows who really is a member or a non member, just like in a Catholic parish (though they may know who isn’t a parish member, but not a non-Catholic or non-LDS, unless they say so), so just like how no one will be turned away from Eucharist in a Catholic parish (unless the priest knows something, or if that person is a known non-Catholic), a person will not be denied the Sacrament in an LDS ward, since they don’t know who is non-LDS (unless they say so), even though it’s meant for members.