WhyMe and others: Can you Be Catholic and LDS at the same time?

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:rotfl: We had the SAME conversation here, and I had no idea that this has happened before. Real Catholics know that the Examination of Conscience is not a part of the sacrament of Reconciliation, and the questions that some people have written (note that you don’t even need to use these written questions (there are NO standard questions), many make up their own questions to guide their Examination) are not used by all. Over a year later, he uses the same argument, and also talks about “breaking” the sacrament of reconciliation, which makes no logical sense. And of course he claims a testimony of false scripture, which I hope he has confessed, since he has a history of judging that others should go to confession.

It’s this sort of wishy washy “Catholic” that gives our Church the image of rising religious liberalism and relativism among the laity. :mad:
 
Religio71 said:
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:rotfl: We had the SAME conversation here, and I had no idea that this has happened before. **Real Catholics **know that the Examination of Conscience is not a part of the sacrament of Reconciliation, and the questions that some people have written (note that you don’t even need to use these written questions (there are NO standard questions), many make up their own questions to guide their Examination) are not used by all. Over a year later, he uses the same argument, and also talks about “breaking” the sacrament of reconciliation, which makes no logical sense. And of course he claims a testimony of false scripture, which I hope he has confessed, since he has a history of judging that others should go to confession.

It’s this sort of wishy washy “Catholic” that gives our Church the image of rising religious liberalism and relativism among the laity. :mad:
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You said it all, right there, Real Catholics
 
why_me said:
Why would I encourage catholics to take the bread and water at LDS sacrament meetings? They don’t have my background. I would not encourage catholics to take lds bread and water. But in the mormon church, there would be nothing wrong with it as long as they felt that they were worthy. But I would not encourage them to do something that they consider to be wrong.

The priest made a suggestion that we should have a beer together. Nothing wrong with that except that I don’t drink. 🙂 He didn’t say that we should go out and get drunk.
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I don’t know why you would do such a thing. But you did, here let me show you.
jeanne71350 said:
**Hi there,
I’m a Catholic girl, and I will be attending Church with a Mormon friend. I’ve never been to a religious service outside of my own. What are some do’s/don’ts? What should I wear? How different is it from the Catholic mass?

I know it’s a bunch of questions. I’d really appreciate some help.

Thanks!
-Jeanne**
why me;4661365:
You will probably meet nice people. Attend all the meetings, I think that you will find it interesting. Their is a separation of the sexes during Relief Society and Priesthood and so, if your friend is a man, he will go to priesthood and you will go to relief society. It should be interesting.

Mormons are friendly. It is not love-bombed. It is just being friendly to a visitor. There is nothing wrong in the lds faith that would prevent you from taking the sacrament. And since some Catholics on this forum don’t believe that the lds church is christian it should be no problem for you to do so
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. Have a good moment observing difference. 🙂
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So yes you would and as a matter of fact did, why?
 
Religio71 said:
Reading an old thread on the 30th anniversary of the end of the LDS priesthood ban, and happened upon this gem:
why me:
Also, mormons by and large are not racist. However, many catholics are and were racist in their attitudes toward black americans. I know because as a young catholic boy I heard a lot of racial slurs against blacks in my neighborhood and catholics were among the name throwers.
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:rotfl::bowdown:

Always the Catholics in the wrong.
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And the Mormons are so wonderful.
 
zaffiroborant said:
I don’t know why you would do such a thing. But you did, here let me show you.

So yes you would and as a matter of fact did, why?
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He won’t get that whether or not we consider LDS “Christian” is irrelevant. It is not “just” eating bread and water. I can do that at home. It is the religious context that is important. Catholics are not to partake in the sacraments/ordinances of any other religion, Christian or otherwise. Sure, we can go to their ceremonies, I do it all the time. I’ve been to my friend’s Hindu temple numerous times. However, I don’t partake in the prasad, or blessed food. I don’t put my hands over the flame that’s passed around and bless myself. It’s not “just eating food” or “just getting my hands warm in the fire”. It’s the religious context that is important here. Communion is just that; “communion”. It is a symbol of unity in faith. LDS also believe that it renews baptismal covenants, and should only be taken by those that have entered such covenants or are preparing to do so. Catholics should not partake in this. Catholics also know the theology behind sin, and the appearance of sin, which is relevant here.

When one looks at all of this from a Catholic perspective, it makes sense. When one looks at it from a relativist/universalist perspective, it doesn’t, since everything is okay, as long as I “feel” it’s right. That’s all about feelings, and not the importance of authority, which the Bible discusses. We can talk about the saints all day long, but if we don’t recognize the reason why they are saints (because they followed the Catholic Faith, i.e. dogma), they are just “nice people”. Works come through Faith.

He may think that God doesn’t care about where you go to take communion (utterly failing to recognize the Real Presence and where that can be found, and why it can be found in those places), but God has clearly instituted Divine authority on Earth, the Church, and whether you believe that is the Catholic or LDS Church, it is important to respect and honor the doctrines and practices that come from that authority, as well as the rules around those doctrines and practices. You cannot re-invent it all, or do whatever you feel is right. That’s why we have hundreds of churches all based off of people’s fallible interpretation of the Bible and “what they think and feel is right”. Why Me would fit right in with these, with his Catholic Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (note how the name is mostly taken up by the LDS part, and rightly so for him, noting his preference for Mormons and not the judgmental Catholics (and we won’t forget his excusing the Mormon missionaries that desecrated a Catholic holy place, saying that these 19 year old men were “immature”, that “the idiot behavior as shown in the photos are rather common, in the sense that the behavior was not well thought out”, or that “they were young men in the process of maturing. These actions can not be defended but they can be understood in context.” Excuses for the Mormons, none for the Catholics ).
 
Religio71 said:
He won’t get that whether or not we consider LDS “Christian” is irrelevant. It is not “just” eating bread and water. I can do that at home. It is the religious context that is important. Catholics are not to partake in the sacraments/ordinances of any other religion, Christian or otherwise. Sure, we can go to their ceremonies, I do it all the time. I’ve been to my friend’s Hindu temple numerous times. However, I don’t partake in the prasad, or blessed food. I don’t put my hands over the flame that’s passed around and bless myself. It’s not “just eating food” or “just getting my hands warm in the fire”. It’s the religious context that is important here. Communion is just that; “communion”. It is a symbol of unity in faith. LDS also believe that it renews baptismal covenants, and should only be taken by those that have entered such covenants or are preparing to do so. Catholics should not partake in this. Catholics also know the theology behind sin, and the appearance of sin, which is relevant here.

When one looks at all of this from a Catholic perspective, it makes sense. When one looks at it from a relativist/universalist perspective, it doesn’t, since everything is okay, as long as I “feel” it’s right. That’s all about feelings, and not the importance of authority, which the Bible discusses. We can talk about the saints all day long, but if we don’t recognize the reason why they are saints (because they followed the Catholic Faith, i.e. dogma), they are just “nice people”. Works come through Faith.

He may think that God doesn’t care about where you go to take communion (utterly failing to recognize the Real Presence and where that can be found, and why it can be found in those places), but God has clearly instituted Divine authority on Earth, the Church, and whether you believe that is the Catholic or LDS Church, it is important to respect and honor the doctrines and practices that come from that authority, as well as the rules around those doctrines and practices. You cannot re-invent it all, or do whatever you feel is right. That’s why we have hundreds of churches all based off of people’s fallible interpretation of the Bible and “what they think and feel is right”. Why Me would fit right in with these, with his Catholic Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (note how the name is mostly taken up by the LDS part, and rightly so for him, noting his preference for Mormons and not the judgmental Catholics (and we won’t forget his excusing the Mormon missionaries that desecrated a Catholic holy place, saying that these 19 year old men were “immature”, that “the idiot behavior as shown in the photos are rather common, in the sense that the behavior was not well thought out”, or that “they were young men in the process of maturing. These actions can not be defended but they can be understood in context.” Excuses for the Mormons, none for the Catholics ).
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It is a perfect example of people trying to make a faith/religion fit into what “they” believe, instead of fitting into what the faith/religion believes.
 
Religio71 said:
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That one is quite outstanding. When someone attempts to bring up the innocent parishoners of the shrine that was desecrated, he goes off and talks about how basically Catholics can’t be innocent, because of what has happened in history.

:mad:

Very Catholic, doesn’t even care about the innocent parishoners.
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The whole thread was a mormon bash if I remember correctly. But since I do not remember the thread in question (it may have been the thread where the two missionaries ruined a statue or the two missionaries were behind the alter pretending to preach to the crowd. But what I do know there was a mormon bash going on in that thread and it was not just against the misisionaries but the entire mormon church.

What the two missionaries did was wrong. But one should not bash the whole church for the actions of two. And that was happening on that thread. I tried to put the event into perspective by bringing up the past. Was I wrong about the historical facts that I mentioned? Should we be ignorant of our history?

And I am not sure if you posted the entire statement by the poster. You may have cut something out. But if not, I did make a mistake in my comment to her. But if you cut something out of her post to make my post off the wall…well…I just don’t know then.

Could you post a link to that page of the link? That would help and we all can read the thead over again. Now that would be fair.
 
why_me said:
And I am not sure if you posted the entire statement by the poster. You may have cut something out. But if not, I did make a mistake in my comment to her. But if you cut something out of her post to make my post off the wall…well…I just don’t know then.

Could you post a link to that page of the link? That would help and we all can read the thead over again. Now that would be fair.
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:rolleyes:

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Religio71 said:
:rolleyes: Exactly.
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Mormons don’t hate Catholics, but Catholics here are anti-Mormon. :eek:
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The catholics here are not antimormon. But there are a few antimormon catholics on the mormon threads and they are the most vocal in their opinions and bashing. Unfortunately these few posters and I can count them on one finger disrupt the mormon threads. Now of course you can make us view the entire threads of what you posted above to draw an opinion of the posts and see if there were a mormon bash going on. Did you post the entire post or did you cut and paste sections of the post quoted above?
 
why_me said:
The catholics here are not antimormon. But there are a few antimormon catholics on the mormon threads and they are the most vocal in their opinions and bashing. Unfortunately these few posters and I can count them on one finger disrupt the mormon threads. Now of course you can make us view the entire threads of what you posted above to draw an opinion of the posts and see if there were a mormon bash going on. Did you post the entire post or did you cut and paste sections of the post quoted above?
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Breaking character

LOL always blame the Catholic. Own up to what you posted. Click on the link, then click next to “Thread:” in the upper right of the post, and you’ll see the exact post within the relevant thread. I can’t post as you. :rolleyes:

Back into character
 
Religio71 said:
:rolleyes:

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PaulDupre
Regular Member Join Date: May 19, 2004
Location: Garden Grove, California
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Religion: Catholic

Re: Mormon missionaries vandalize and desecrate Catholic Shrine
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**Originally Posted by why me
Some young men are immature and these were immature young men. Also, life is a learning experience and these young men will now learn a valuable lesson. As those parents who have children in this age group know full well, the idiot behavior as shown in the photos are rather common, in the sense that the behavior was not well thought out. **

why me,

I raised four children who are all adults now. None of them ever did anything like that, nor would it ever enter their minds. Mormons are raised with a mocking and derisive attitude towards all things Catholic. It is hardly surprising that Mormon anti-Catholic indoctrination produces such results.
Paul

This was my first post on that thread and here was my first response. Now the thread is from 2007, quite a while ago. Would you agree with Paul, Religio?

My children are mormon and they were not raised to be anticatholic by me or the lds church.
 
Religio71 said:
Breaking character

LOL always blame the Catholic. Own up to what you posted. Click on the link, then click next to “Thread:” in the upper right of the post, and you’ll see the exact post within the relevant thread. I can’t post as you. :rolleyes:

Back into character
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Own up??? I don’t see anything addressing “why would I” and I didn’t.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Own up??? I don’t see anything addressing “why would I” and I didn’t.
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Do you think that Paul’s response to me as shown above was correct? Or was it inflammatory? And it did set my tone. It is not exactly fair to let some people slide and others not. Also, if you look at what I have claimed I began to come back to the church about three years ago. I was just getting my feet wet in the church and Paul’s comment did disappoint me in the sense that a catholic can make such statements.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Own up??? I don’t see anything addressing “why would I” and I didn’t.
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Look at what he posted. He will always post about a Catholic and how they are wrong. Even when I linked to his own posts, he implied that I wasn’t posting all of what was said, or cutting up the posts. :rolleyes: Because I can do that and post under someone else’s name.

In response to someone simply saying:
So many people have been saying the missionaries are the victims, or “The Church” is the victim, but did “The Church” or these missionaries pay for the shrine? No. The victims are the innocent parishioners at Sangre de Cristo.
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He says:
I hate to be a party pooper here but when a person looks at history one would find a vibrant Aztec culture vandalized for church and Spain. I do believe that on a scale of 1 to 10 that would be a 10 for sure since an entire culture was destroyed. And need I mention pagan lithuania and pagan latvia and what happened in those countries when the Catholic church arrived with its missionaries?
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Let those without sin cast the first stone…:o
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He can’t even address the innocent parishoners of the defiled shrine, but deflects to something completely unrelated to the issue of the innocent parishoners affected by 3 LDS missionaries. I don’t generalize to ALL LDS, however he can’t even address what 3 did in one situation.

When this issue was discussed on MADB, the anti-Catholicism that why me fervently denies happens (because of the super strict moderation that happens there!) occurred. And when Rebecca brought it up:
Your pals over at madb went from “we love our Catholic brothers”, trying to play all nice for the cameras on this issue, to mocking the beliefs of all Catholics in a thread started hours later. So no, this is not an isolated incident of 3 missionaries. It is 3 men, who the mormons consider ministers of their church, showing the world exactly what mormons think of Catholicism.
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He says this:
Perhaps some do. But what is important is that there are many mormons who defend the catholic church and criticize the missionaries on that thread. And lets face it, the lds church has apologized. The missionaries will experience church discipline and the law. I think that this is the end of the story.
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Now if the lds leadership attempted to cover it up in 2006, that would be a different thing. But lets not begin to discuss coverups in this thread.
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He cannot help but make subtle and not so subtle attacks and judgments against the Catholic Church. Now, I wouldn’t care if he admitted to being Mormon, but he claims to be Catholic, and NEVER defends the Church here, has a relativist/universalist outlook on theology (incompatible with Catholicism, which he would know if he actually cared about Divine Authority as an institution, which is part of the Gospel that he claims to follow, whether Catholic or LDS), and can’t help but make digs at the Catholic Church by always bringing up negative information that he “doesn’t want to be forced into bring up/doesn’t want to discuss”.

I’d like to see examples other new converts and reverts just “getting their feet wet” in the Church making similar comments. I’ve lurked around here for about 5 years, and I haven’t seen it.

Does he really think we’re idiots? :cool:
 
why_me said:
Do you think that Paul’s response to me as shown above was correct? Or was it inflammatory? And it did set my tone. It is not exactly fair to let some people slide and others not. Also, if you look at what I have claimed I began to come back to the church about three years ago. That thread is now two years old. I was just getting my feet wet in the church and Paul’s comment did disappoint me in the sense that a catholic can make such statements.
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Excuses for the Mormons, none for the Catholics
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Good night.

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