Will America become socialist now that Biden has basically won?

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LilyM said:
Just strikes me as odd, as a lawyer, myself, that these machines have been in play for all this time, these witnesses have kbown the problems for all this time, and no-one has come forward successfully yet. Smells like a desperate throw of.the dice from someone who has no firm ground to stand on.
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I guess it was the plan of Venezuela and Cuba and Industrialists and foreign governments and the media and subversive individuals within the Democratic party that Trump would win his first term with this same software.
 
Actually Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobouchar, the state of Texas and numerous others have come forward, including a PBS documentary, numerous software engineers including a Michigan prof, a Democrat Senator from NY years ago and others.

I could go track all those down for you if you wish but I doubt your mind would be changed at all, so your objection might be just handwaving.
 
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LilyM:
Just strikes me as odd, as a lawyer, myself, that these machines have been in play for all this time, these witnesses have kbown the problems for all this time, and no-one has come forward successfully yet. Smells like a desperate throw of.the dice from someone who has no firm ground to stand on.
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I guess it was the plan of Venezuela and Cuba and Industrialists and foreign governments and the media and subversive individuals within the Democratic party that Trump would win his first term with this same software.
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Of course becuse that makes total sense … it also makes total sense that they wouldn’t use that same software to also fix the House and Senate for their chosen President thus time around like they id last time… ewps except they forgot at the midterms …??? 🤣🤣
 
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LeafByNiggle:
If you think this through a little more you will see that it doesn’t make mathematical sense.
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For the sake of thoroughness, why don’t I make sense here?
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Here is what you said:
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HarryStotle:
An algorithm that was meant not to give itself away could be tuned to actual preponderance of votes. Ergo it would only do the switching when Trump’s votes were outpacing Biden’s and switch BOTH Biden’s and Trump’s to the other candidate precisely because the net gain of the switch would favour Biden.
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Either the supposed fraud algorithm gave itself away or it didn’t. Pick one and stick with it.

If the supposed fraud algorithm modified the votes in such a way so as not to give itself away, then nothing fraudulent would be detected by forensic analysis, and the results would be indistinguishable from a free a fair election. I’m not saying it was free and fair, only that the results would be indistinguishable from a free and fair election. If that is the case, there is no reason to be especially suspicious of votes in Michigan.

On the other hand, if the supposed fraud algorithm modified the votes in such a way so as to be detectable by forensic analysis, what is that forensic analysis? I (actually Matt Parker) already showed that the particular forensic analysis of votes in Michigan was flawed and did not actually show anything out of the ordinary.

So that’s why your argument doesn’t make sense. A good double check of the method would be to take data from any other election in Michigan, or any other swing state in which straight party voting is an option, from prior years and analyze a swing county in that election. If this forensic analysis is showing an anomaly, it should be an easy matter to show data from a previous election that did not have that anomaly. Your guys didn’t do that. Probably because the data would show it is normal, and not an anomaly at all.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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HarryStotle:
Right. We’ll take it on your authority then.
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Absolutely not! Do what Matt Parker recommended. Download the data from the Kent County website, put it in a spreadsheet, write the Excel commands that create the scatter plots, and see for yourself.
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Clearly you didn’t understand my argument. I completely accept what Parker shows. That isn’t what I argued.
 
People might want to read and digest what the “intelligent” persons in government and those who influence policy are up to.


I have often wondered how seemingly normal people can argue nonsensical positions. That paper sheds light.
 
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as a fellow software programmer – only 41 years, I want to know how this magic hidden algorithm works. I know that I’ve often wondered if there were fairies messing with my code, but I never really believed it. It’s good to know that it wasn’t me messing up, but hidden code.

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 😱 😱
 
HarryStotle said:
People might want to read and digest what the “intelligent” persons in government ans those who influence policy are up to.
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That’s a good point to make. We should all be wary of actual fake news and those who would promote it. That all the examples given were comitted by a Republican presidency doesn’t change the fact that all governments, to some degree, try to bend the news to suit their purposes. It’s not that some do and some don’t. It’s simply a matter of degree. And the Biden presidency will be no different.

And there’s two ways to spread misinformation. You can boil the frog and do it incrementally so no-one notices. Or you can do exactly what is happening now and throw so much mud that some of it will stick and even the most fair minded person starts to think ‘well, there’s so much being claimed, some of it might be true…’

I just wish that people could see that that is exactly what’s happening now.
 
sallybutler said:
as a fellow software programmer – only 41 years, I want to know how this magic hidden algorithm works. I know that I’ve often wondered if there were fairies messing with my code, but I never really believed it. It’s good to know that it wasn’t me messing up, but hidden code.
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You know the random number generators you use? All designed by the Russians in the sixties. I know it as a fact. This guy I met in a pub swore it was true. He knew somebody whose wife worked for someone who had a friend who went to Moscow once.
 
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How about if you laugh at republicans and let republicans wait and watch the system play out? Win-win??
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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HarryStotle:
Right. We’ll take it on your authority then.
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Absolutely not! Do what Matt Parker recommended. Download the data from the Kent County website, put it in a spreadsheet, write the Excel commands that create the scatter plots, and see for yourself.
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Apparently, Dr Shiva has posted a video addressing precisely Matt Parker’s failure to understand what was going on. Crucial point v Parker starts at 1:07:00 in the video, although at about the 45:00 mark he begins explaining the basic argument.


The difficulty for the -1 issue that Matt makes regarding percentages is that it is totally irrelevant because he completely misunderstood what the profile indicates.

The key takeaway is that Trump’s single candidate votes correlate very highly with straight party Rep voting, but Biden’s single votes correlate very poorly with straight party Dem voting. That also is very strange for a candidate that is supposed to be the most popular candidate ever for the Democrats. It does indicate single party vote switching to Biden by algorithm.

In fact Dr. Shiva uses Matt’s own plot to prove the fraud of the vote switch.

If you look at this screen grab you can see it yourself and the percent switch is ~20% of the total votes.

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

In the cluster plot that Matt himself provided (pictured above) you can see the relatively high number of plots above zero in the upper right (the highly Republican precincts) which signifies that Biden has gained about 20% of Trump’s single votes.

You may want to recall your general position that Internet YouTube posters are unreliable while university PhDs are to be trusted. Dr. Shiva has four degrees from MIT including MEng and a PhD. Matt Parker has a single college degree and is a math popularizer/comedian. Your deference should be clear.
 
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Freddy said:
I just wish that people could see that that is exactly what’s happening now.
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And which side, right or left, is in control of 95% of the information dispensing media? Oh, right…

…it’s the left.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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HarryStotle:
We live in a kooky dook world, in case you haven’t noticed.
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So, you totally missed the Moana reference then?
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If I knew what a Moana is I would respond. i suspect it is a Disney reference, but I gave up Disney years ago.

I did teach a Moana once. Her family was Samoan, I believe.
 
And in the meantime yet another Trump lawsuit gets knocked back, this one in Pennsylvania.

Trump promised his supporters they would be sick of winning … can’t imagine they pictured this when he said that …
 
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