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PatienceAndLove
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I concur.
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Miserissima
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Thanks! I’ll see if I can scan the chapter (it’s rather short) on Monday and post it on my webspace for you to check out. I think you’ll get a kick out of it!**see? we NEED those old manners books. clear cut, black and white guidelines.**
I wish I knew…but I can’t come up with a way to ask her without sounding…mean. It would be like calling out her hypocrisy, and I don’t know her well enough to ask (we don’t work in the same division). These are the times I wish I had a camera phone to show you!
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ElizabethPH
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Yes it is cute, but then I think jumpers for the most part are cute. This one sort of flares out and it would look like a tent on me.
I don’t mean to plug vermontcountrystore.com but they have some neat hard to find things; they have some cute summer Madras jumpers. And someone was talking about walking shorts earlier…they have some walking shorts that look like they go to the knees. I’ve seen a lot of those long walking shorts this season.
vermontcountrystore.com/jump.jsp?itemID=7&itemType=CATEGORY
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Jacafamala
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We go up to Vermont every summer, and I always stop in at the Country Store–the one in Weston. The kids love the candy counter.
They have great under garments that you won’t find elsewhere; great store.
Pax Christi,
Ann
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Lepanto
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As an aside, I must share that there is a lady at my office who wears the Middle Eastern headscarf, or hijab. But she wears low-cut blouses which reveal clevage, and snug capris or shirts above the knee…that makes no sense at all.
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Jacafamala
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kbharbert
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**my hubby would probably dislike it as well but then…this is the SAME guy who buys me clothes that look like something my grandmother would pick out—and SHE had glacoma and was half blind!!— (not old fashioned but rather those gawd awful BIG print jobs in colors like fushia and some sort of purple that confounds even the crayola people) and heaven HELP me when he heads for the nylon nightie aisle!!!My husband says that I look good in whatever I put on.
Pax Christi,
Ann
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Jacafamala
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Yeah, mine, too-LOL!!! God bless him. I’ll never forget the time he bought me this one crazy dress: he thought I’d like it because it came from the same lady who made dresses for my little girls. The problem is it looked like a dress for a 4 year old. I didn’t have the heart to tell him, nor humility to wear it…So it hung in my closet for like about a year until I gave it away.**my hubby would probably dislike it as well but then…this is the SAME guy who buys me clothes that look like something my grandmother would pick out—and SHE had glacoma and was half blind!!— (not old fashioned but rather those gawd awful BIG print jobs in colors like fushia and some sort of purple that confounds even the crayola people) and heaven HELP me when he heads for the nylon nightie aisle!!!
Pax Christi,
Ann
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Teakafrog
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Glad to hear my hubby isn’t the only one like that. He always thinks granny dresses are appropriate. Of course, he doesn’t mind the jumpers, either.
And, he says I look nice when I wear something more fashionable…so, he just really doesn’t care!
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Brennan_Doherty
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I tend to think that in regards to fashion for women, perhaps we ought to look more to the heritage of Catholic (or at least once Catholic) cultures such as France or Italy. Women are beautiful therefore it is appropriate that they should be dressed in accordingly. Our heritage does not come from the United States, where we were founded by Puritans, who, although modestly dressed, certainly had no style, and had no intention of having any style, just as they had no intention of having art or beauty in their churches.
It seems as if in any country that was Catholic beauty is an important, even integral part of their culture whether in art, architecture or fashion. I do think it is possible for women to dress modestly and at the same time beautifully.
It seems as if in any country that was Catholic beauty is an important, even integral part of their culture whether in art, architecture or fashion. I do think it is possible for women to dress modestly and at the same time beautifully.
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Jacafamala
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So jumpers aren’t beautiful?
Pax Christi,
Ann
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MrsMW
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The only ones who seem to really like them are the ladies who wear them. Most men who I know hate them. I even heard a monk make fun of them.
I think the puritan fashion sense should go the way of the doctrine. The doctrine is bad and so are the clothes! I’ll take Catholic Europe anyday!
I swam the Tiber 12 years ago. Thanks be to God!
I think the puritan fashion sense should go the way of the doctrine. The doctrine is bad and so are the clothes! I’ll take Catholic Europe anyday!
I swam the Tiber 12 years ago. Thanks be to God!
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Jacafamala
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That’s all well and good for those French and Italian women who are going to sit on a pillow and embroider all day. But what about those among us who have a big house and many children and yard work to tend to? What about us? Most women wear shorts or jeans or what have you for such work. How is a jumper any less suave than that?
Pax Christi,
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Brennan_Doherty
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Well, I certainly doubt there are very many French or Italian women who sit on a pillow and embroider all day. So when I say look to France or Italy I mean look to them. And granted they have an advantage because they are in a culture that at least was developed within the Catholic faith and so their attitudes towards fashion and other things are affected by that and thus the way they dress is natural to them. And obviously no one is suggesting you wear your wedding gown while you weed the garden.
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Jacafamala
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True, those days are gone. However, from what I understand not many European women have the kinds of families that one would typically call ‘big Catholic families.’ So, it’s a different kind of a life they lead. And as such they wear different kinds of clothes, too. Women with out little children don’t worry about peanut butter on the blouse or worse, but I’ll spare you.
So in your estimation am I less Catholic looking if I’m sporting a jumper one day? Well, all I can tell you is that when Europe was predominantly Catholic, not all Europeans were the sharp dressers that you refer to. For example, I look at the pictures of the pious women from Fatima (such as Lucia’s mom), of a hundred years ago, or the pictures I’ve seen of St. Faustina’s clan and I imagine many here would consider the jumper clad gal at the beginning of this thread to be down-rite fancy.
Oh, thank goodness! I was beginning to wonder.
Pax Christi,
Ann
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tcraig
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I used to live in Italy, and my daily household chores were much more strenuous and took up much more of my time than when I lived in the U.S. I had no dishwasher, all my laundry was hang-dry (electricity is very expensive) followed by lots of ironing, and shopping involved daily walking trips to many small stores. Yet somehow, Italian women manage to live their daily lives and still remain some of the most beautiful and attractively dressed I’ve ever seen.
I saw a lot of women wearing aprons in their homes in Italy. Maybe that’s a clue.
But I don’t mind if you wear a jumper. Honestly.
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Brennan_Doherty
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I wouldn’t use the term “less Catholic.” And I think tcraig’s comment is more authoritative than mine since she’s actually lived in Italy. Nor do I think that one needs to be dressed in a silk dress no matter what they are doing. And I do think there are plenty of women in France and Italy who are around small children. And I am not even trying to say a jumper is verboten. It does seem, though, that beauty and fashion are a more intrinsic part of a Catholic culture than in the U.S. So, I think tcraig’s post is pertinent as that is my overall point. It is looking at a culture such as Italy or France where the women do have children and do household chores and asking how do they still dress fashionably? I don’t have all the answers to that question because I have never lived in either place.True, those days are gone. However, from what I understand not many European women have the kinds of families that one would typically call ‘big Catholic families.’ So, it’s a different kind of a life they lead. And as such they wear different kinds of clothes, too. Women with out little children don’t worry about peanut butter on the blouse or worse, but I’ll spare you.
So in your estimation am I less Catholic looking if I’m sporting a jumper one day? Well, all I can tell you is that when Europe was predominantly Catholic, not all Europeans were the sharp dressers that you refer to. For example, I look at the pictures of the pious women from Fatima (such as Lucia’s mom), of a hundred years ago, or the pictures I’ve seen of St. Faustina’s clan and I imagine many here would consider the jumper clad gal at the beginning of this thread to be down-rite fancy.
Oh, thank goodness! I was beginning to wonder.
Pax Christi,
Ann
Granted, again, it is more natural for women to dress fashionably in a Catholic culture since authentic Catholic culture naturally promotes beauty in different areas of life where Protestant culture usually does not.
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Jacafamala
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Are jumpers unfashionable, then? I guess that’s my point; not always. I think they can be very fashionable.
Pax Christi,
Ann
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Brennan_Doherty
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I don’t go to a church where a lot of women wear jumpers so I can’t comment too much on them. As you suggest, perhaps some are more fashionable than others.
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