You can't be both a Catholic and a Feminist

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newbiefound:
I loved this post! Excellent way of putting it. I thought this post sums kev’s argument up best. A great way for people to lead others to Catholicism and to keep Catholic’s eyes on the church is to do good things in the Catholic name. If there was an organization that officially held all the same views as the Catholic church except that Christ was the Savior but you’re still allowed to think he is and still be in the organization, would you join it? Would you lead others to this organization? Why not try to get the Church active in this instead of using an organization that doesn’t officially even believe in Christ? It’s not the label that’s wrong. its the fact that its a belief system that people live by that doesn’t necessarily involve Christianity AT ALL.
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thank you. I am glad that there are people of faith on this board who are not afraid to stand up to something that they feel is wrong. Regardless of how much you are hated by the feminists and made fun of.
 
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Katie1723:
I wasn’t aware that the Catholic church teaches us to argue
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That is funny that you say that. Last weeks Gospel was about speaking up about your faith and letting the fire burn inside your heart. That is all that I have done here. I have spoke out about something that I feel is wrong. I don’t care if I am called names or not. I don’t care.
 
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Catholic2003:
The “one fruit of life” in the Catholic bucket is just another analogy for the straight-jacket of uniformity I commented on earlier, a uniformity that doesn’t describe the true Catholic Church. One can be a faithful Catholic, and a great role model for Catholicism to the world at large, without being a “Mother Teresa” clone. Don’t get me wrong; in my opinion, Mother Teresa was a saint, but not every Catholic has to think and act just like her.

Edited to add: Mother Teresa never claimed that every Catholic had to think and act just like her. The idea that “Mother Teresa didn’t need labels, so nobody does” is from kev7.
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I find it insulting that you would call the catholic church a straigh-jacket. Does it really make you feel that way? I’m sorry but it is the path to life. If you don’t want to accept it then so be it. I can only pray for you. The catholic church is the fruit of life. It is the source of all my strength just as it was Mother Teresas’.

Mother Teresa is an example of a Good catholic woman. Everytime she did something she did it in the name of God and through the grace of the catholic church. She never once claimed that any of her actions were part of feminism. She always stayed true to her faith.
 
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Katie1723:
Kev7…always talking about fruits…hmmm??? Now what could THAT mean? Like I have said before, when a person raises such a fuss about something, it oftentimes is indicative of the fact that they are dealing with the same issues.
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wow… what an amazing argument. you are so smart. thank you for these words of wisdom. your contribution to this discusion is outstanding. :rolleyes:
 
Joseph Bilodeau:
I’ll take this one.

Originally Posted by Mark 9:40
[Jesus speaking] For whoever is not against us is for us.
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Your argument is a strong one and I like the fact that you at least gave me an arugment (unlike most here with their slander)

but…

you have to quote the entire passage

Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us
38"Teacher," said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

the fact is feminism is NOT driving out demons in the name of Christ. if it was then I wouldn’t have a problem with it. The other fact is you can’t drive out demons without the name of Christ. You can’t drive out demons in the name of feminism!

here… let me try. “In the name of feminism, I drive you back to your pit in hell you abortion demon!”

the demon turns to me and says, “hmm… I know Jesus but I don’t know you!”
 
Does the Catechism say anywhere that one cannot belong to groups outside of the Church? I don’t see the problem if one stays true to Church teachings. Does that mean I can’t say I’m an American? Can I say that I am a boy? What about a high school student? I hope I can. If I can’t, I don’t know if I’ll be able to get my student discount at the movies anymore. 😃 Though, I do think it is wrong to constantly promote the secular causes and groups you are associated with, but never mention Holy Mother Church.

In Christ,
Matt
 
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mlchance:
Why? So you can continue to argue that Church doesn’t mean what she says she means? Sorry, but I’ve got better things to do. Do you own google search starting with Ordinatio Sacerotalis and work backward through history from there.

%between%– Mark L. Chance.
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As a result of feminism, she does not accept the churches teachings on holy orders. not much you can do about that.
 
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kev7:
wow… what an amazing argument. you are so smart. thank you for these words of wisdom. your contribution to this discusion is outstanding. :rolleyes:
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Why thank you…I try :whistle:
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ElizabethAnne:
kev7,
I am an orthodox Catholic who accepts all of the teachings of the Church. I am especially enthralled by the writings of John Paul II who clearly showed that women are equal in dignity to men, yet different from them. He has called us to embrace and celebrate our uniqueness, to value motherhood and enjoy being women. The Church really understands women, both because she recognizes women as equals to men and because she does not try to deny the differences between the sexes.
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Good I liked what you wrote here and I have a lot of respect for you. You are a good woman. 🙂
Your next question will probably be (I assume because you’ve asked it before), “Why be feminist when you can just be Catholic?” My answer has been throughout my posts that I am a feminist because I am Catholic. Because I am Catholic, I believe that women are equal in dignity to men. Believing that the sexes are equal makes me a feminist.
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but again, why do you give credit to the feminists for theses things? Why not give them to the catholic church.
Not everyone who believes in equality uses the term “feminist,” but by definition that is what they are.
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So are you saying that we are all Jewish because we believe in the 10 commandments?
There are many women out there who do not understand that equality for the sexes does not mean killing unborn babies. They honestly believe, in good (if not misguided) faith that there can be no equality without abortion. The pro-choice movement has pushed its agenda well. I was one of those women. I see it as part of my mission, part of God’s plan for me, to show those women who are misguided that a true feminist cares about babies who are killed in the womb and cares about how abortion harms women, both emotionally and physically.
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I’m glad you are doing the work of christ. Good for you. I hope you continue and save many lives.

My point is that you are really a catholic infiltrating the feminist organizations. You are not really a feminist because your cause for action is catholic teaching. Your cause for action isn’t feminism.

Your focus is really to bring people to the catholic faith and not to feminism. I would be worried if your focus was to bring feminism more followers
 
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kev7:
wow… what an amazing argument. you are so smart. thank you for these words of wisdom. your contribution to this discusion is outstanding. :rolleyes:
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Whoa, kev, buddy! You are still at it with your battle against feminism??? Over 148 posts in one day! :whacky: You go, guy!
 
La Chiara:
Whoa, kev, buddy! You are still at it with your battle against feminism??? Over 148 posts in one day! :whacky: You go, guy!
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LOL sister Chiara!!! :rotfl:
 
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ElizabethAnne:
One poster gave the dictionary’s definition of feminism, in Webster’s it is “the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes.” Some may distort this definition and you may reject it, but it is not a definition pulled out of thin air or some sort of wavering theory affected by moral relativism. In this widely accepted definition of feminism, there is no conflict with Catholicism. So being feminist does not mean being anti-Catholic.

Your next question will probably be (I assume because you’ve asked it before), “Why be feminist when you can just be Catholic?” My answer has been throughout my posts that I am a feminist because I am Catholic. Because I am Catholic, I believe that women are equal in dignity to men. Believing that the sexes are equal makes me a feminist. Not everyone who believes in equality uses the term “feminist,” but by definition that is what they are.
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“The theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes” I think does conflict with Catholic ideas. I believe a better idea would be that the sexes deserve equity. I believe in the equality of dignity, but that doesn’t have to do with male, female, child, elderly, everyone because they are human deserve equal dignity.

If they were equal they would be the same. Men and women are not the same nor is one person the same as another. No one deserves the same amount of political, economic, and social whatever. Each should get what they deserve. If one gets more, then that one desevers to use it for more for the good of others.

Political, economic, and social equality sounds good, sounds real close to being good, but I don’t think it is. It pays no mind to what are the needs of the person. It puts the wrong mind set of how we should act. We should not treat everyone equally, that would just mean we don’t care about the person. We should help the sick before the healthy. The healthy should be the first to those in need.

When it comes to femanism it really comes down to how you define it as to if it is Catholic or not.
 
I have a friend who actually meet mother teresa when he was a boy in india. He told me about the time she spoke to a small crowd of people at his school. He told me that while she was was speaking everyone started crying.

He told me that even he started to cry.

Strange thing is that he is a hindu and not a catholic. The words of truth that he heard from her made him cry.

I doubt very much that her words would of ment anything had she not spoke the words of christ and in his name.
 
La Chiara:
Whoa, kev, buddy! You are still at it with your battle against feminism??? Over 148 posts in one day! :whacky: You go, guy!
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another hateful and spiteful post. but thankfully you have reassured me with your words of wisdom. I was worried there for a moment that as a feminist you couldn’t count. 🙂
 
jman507 said:
“The theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes” I think does conflict with Catholic ideas. I believe a better idea would be that the sexes deserve equity. I believe in the equality of dignity, but that doesn’t have to do with male, female, child, elderly, everyone because they are human deserve equal dignity.

If they were equal they would be the same. Men and women are not the same nor is one person the same as another. No one deserves the same amount of political, economic, and social whatever. Each should get what they deserve. If one gets more, then that one desevers to use it for more for the good of others.
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First of all, none of us get what we deserve. We are a sinful people, and we deserve to burn in hell for eternity. Thanks be to God, that we don’t get what we deserve.

Second, men and women are not the same. If that’s what you mean, then I agree. However, from a political, social, and economic point of view, they are equal. Men and women deserve to be treated with equal dignity. That’s political equality. Men are not above or below women socially; they are equal. And they both should be paid the same for equal work; that’s economic equality. And that is in line with Catholic teaching.
 
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kev7:
I find it insulting that you would call the catholic church a straigh-jacket. Does it really make you feel that way? I’m sorry but it is the path to life. If you don’t want to accept it then so be it. I can only pray for you. The catholic church is the fruit of life. It is the source of all my strength just as it was Mother Teresas’.
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Very funny. :rolleyes:

I am the one who is saying that the Catholic Church is not a straight-jacket.

You are the one who is saying that we all must think exactly like Mother Teresa did on the issue of feminism. I used the metaphor of a straight-jacket to describe your line of logical reasoning on this point.

The real Catholic Church is a big tent with lots of room for faithful Catholics to disagree on many issues, including various aspects of feminism.
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kev7:
Mother Teresa is an example of a Good catholic woman. Everytime she did something she did it in the name of God and through the grace of the catholic church. She never once claimed that any of her actions were part of feminism. She always stayed true to her faith.
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Mother Teresa is indeed an example of a good Catholic woman. But she is not the only example. Thus, just because she never claimed that any of her actions were a part of feminism doesn’t mean that the entire Church must do the same.

This is the fundamental flaw in all your arguments.
 
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