You caught us Catholics!!! It is repitition!!!

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Then shouldn’t be aproblem to give an example of that…please.

yes we are told to pray for one another…I agree, Shouldn’t be a problem to for you to provide one example of an earthly believer praying for a physically dead saint. Good luck.

You are very good about changing the subject…were talking physical distance and the heart is not the organ used to hear.
Heaven is not a physical place; it is simply the state of being perfected in God’s grace and experiencing the Beatific Vision. There is no “physical distance” from here to Heaven, any more than there is any physical distance from here to sleep, or from here to love, even though we talk about being “in love” or “going to sleep.” These are all simply states of being.
 
I just prayed out loud for all of you…did anyone at all hear the prayer? Are you not closer to me than to Heaven?

The Mary of the Bible and the other physically dead saints of the ages cannot hear your or anyone’s prayers. Maybe in Heaven we have have “super-sonic” hearing…don’t remember reading that anywhere.

Unless you believe that this was overlooked in Scripture. **There is not one example, not one in the NT or OT where someone prayed to or through a physically dead saint to reach God. **Instead we are taught in many ways how to pray to God and God alone; for God alone is able to answer prayer…right?

For something that is so prevalent in Catholicism, one would think we could have at least one example of this…don’t you? Just something to think about.
DEAR NON-CATHLOIC I SEE YOU HAVE NON-RELIGION SO YOU MUST HAVE YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE ,IF YOU READ THE BIBLE YOU CAN SEE THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO GET YOUR BIBLE AND PLEASE READ 1TIM 3;15,THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY
 
We are told to be like the Bereans to avoid false teaching and to know what is true in light if Scripture…right?
The Bereans also listened to the Holy Tradition of the Apostles, or else they never would have become Christians. What they saw in the Scriptures (holy writings - what we call the Bible did not yet exist; the Bible came into existence by the infallible decree of Pope Innocent I, in about 405 AD) was the prophetic message about Jesus - but they did not see anywhere that said that Jesus would overturn the ceremonial law. If they had been going by “Scripture alone” (there was no canon, so they really didn’t even have a defined notion of Scripture - it was simply “the holy writings” which varied in number between the various different Jewish communities of the time), they would have rejected Christ and the Apostles, because Christ and the Apostles commanded things that were opposite to or not in line with the Law of Moses.
However; I do agree that we end up with a thousand and one interpretations, you can see that all over this forum for example. The question becomes why? The Bible answers this in no uncertain terms. 1 Corinthians 2:12-15 12 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, **so that we may know **the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual {thoughts} with spiritual {words.} 14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.”
Do you understand what Paul just said?
Yes; he said that we must not lean on our own interpretation, but we must hear the Holy Spirit, which moves through the leadership of Paul himself and the other Apostles - the Catholic Church leadership.
I guess Moses was Catholic…do you listen to your self?
Moses had no concept of a “Bible.” His writings, which in the late 300s AD became included in the Catholic Bible, were used in the liturgies of Jewish worship and studied by the Rabbis, and of course they were seen as being very special, and set apart, but that’s how they were referred to - the writings, or the books, of Moses. Moses himself had no holy books of any kind to read - he was the first one to write anything down. He certainly would never have used the phrase, “Go and look that up in the Bible.”
That is showing you have a lower view of Scripture than one ought to. The Bible claims that it is Supreme in authority and infallible; so to say something is of equal value is an insult to the author of Scripture, which is not the Catholic Church, but the Holy Spirit.
The Bible never says any such thing; in fact, it says that the pillar and bulwark of Truth is the Catholic Church, (ekklisia kaholoika) in I Timothy 3:15.
**Isaiah 29:13 **Therefore the Lord said: "Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from Me, And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men, - sound familiar?
I have never seen what is wrong with saying the right words. I don’t think Isaiah is condemning the people for saying the right words - rather, he wants them to both say the right words, and mean them. But it’s still better to say the right words for the wrong reasons, than to say the wrong words, even for what may seem like good reasons. It is not “more virtuous” to sin openly than it is to sin in secret, or to not know what’s going on.
I and my church members accept the authority of God as revealed in Scripture; not a “Church” made of fallible people.
Every time you pick up a Bible and say, “This is Holy Scripture,” you are simply repeating the infallible words of Pope Innocent I, when he compiled together the 46 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament, and declared them infallibly to be the Bible.
What happens if we don’t have that single standard?.. then anything goes and does…then who is to say which revelation(s) outside of Scripture are correct?
What Christ did was “outside of Scripture” at the time that He did it. Should we reject it, on that basis? The books that were written about Christ in the decades following His death and resurrection did not become “Scripture” until nearly 400 years later.

It was the Catholic Church who declared these things to be true, and these books to be inspired of the Holy Spirit. 🙂
 
The rosary is the most precious of prayers. It’s repetition is for the purpose of keeping our mind on the meditation of the life,suffering and resurrection of our Lord. I add small prayers in between the decades and reciting the rosary every day brings such a peacefulness and holiness to my life. It is the closeness one feels to Jesus and the relationship with Him that the rosary brings that makes this dedication one of the most beautiful of prayers.
 
The rosary is the most precious of prayers. It’s repetition is for the purpose of keeping our mind on the meditation of the life,suffering and resurrection of our Lord. I add small prayers in between the decades and reciting the rosary every day brings such a peacefulness and holiness to my life. It is the closeness one feels to Jesus and the relationship with Him that the rosary brings that makes this dedication one of the most beautiful of prayers.
Yes, I do, too. 🙂
 
We are told to be like the Bereans to avoid false teaching and to know what is true in light if Scripture…right? However; I do agree that we end up with a thousand and one interpretations, you can see that all over this forum for example. The question becomes why? The Bible answers this in no uncertain terms. 1 Corinthians 2:12-15 12 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, **so that we may know **the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual {thoughts} with spiritual {words.} 14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.”

Do you understand what Paul just said?

I guess Moses was Catholic…do you listen to your self? That is showing you have a lower view of Scripture than one ought to. The Bible claims that it is Supreme in authority and infallible; so to say something is of equal value is an insult to the author of Scripture, which is not the Catholic Church, but the Holy Spirit.

**Isaiah 29:13 **Therefore the Lord said: "Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from Me, And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men, - sound familiar?

You are 100% right; we this everyday.

I and my church members accept the authority of God as revealed in Scripture; not a “Church” made of fallible people. What happens if we don’t have that single standard?.. then anything goes and does…then who is to say which revelation(s) outside of Scripture are correct? The Mormons make that claim, Jehovah Witnesses make that claim and the Catholic church makes the claim…so where does it end and who is right?
You are correct about the Hebrew Scriptures. Mea Culpa. The Christian Scriptures were decided by the Catholic Church. The Hebrew Scriptures remain as they were.

So where does it end? Who is right?

I can’t answer that. The Christian Scriptures came from the early Catholic Church Tradition. That is the path that I believe follows the teachings of the Early Church. We have to start somewhere and at the beginning seems the most logical to me.
 
The Catholic Church is, in many ways, a re-enactment of the old Hebrew traditions. A good example is use of the incense at the alter and the presentation of the alter as in the old Jewish “temple” where only the priests could enter in the innermost parts. Catholicism is in fact ritual and tradition, following many of the old Hebrew traditions. The Bible is also very clear about worshiping God and God only.
 
Heaven is not a physical place; it is simply the state of being perfected in God’s grace and experiencing the Beatific Vision. There is no “physical distance” from here to Heaven, any more than there is any physical distance from here to sleep, or from here to love, even though we talk about being “in love” or “going to sleep.” These are all simply states of being.
Your assessments seem to be of the “New Age” variety. Are you making this stuff up?

How do you explain Jesus’ promise, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”? (John 14:2)
How does Heaven not exist as an actual place by that promise?
 
The Catholic Church is, in many ways, a re-enactment of the old Hebrew traditions. A good example is use of the incense at the alter and the presentation of the alter as in the old Jewish “temple” where only the priests could enter in the innermost parts. Catholicism is in fact ritual and tradition, following many of the old Hebrew traditions. The Bible is also very clear about worshiping God and God only.
So when the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom at Jesus’ death on the Cross, does that mean we sew it back up and continue as if the New Covenant were the same as the Old. Jesus spoke against such “patching”.
 
Your assessments seem to be of the “New Age” variety. Are you making this stuff up?

How do you explain Jesus’ promise, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”? (John 14:2)
How does Heaven not exist as an actual place by that promise?
Heaven is not a “place” that we can go to in this world - you cannot find it on a map, and you cannot go there in a space ship. When Yuri Gagarin went up into space and said “Where is God?” he was making the mistake of thinking that Heaven is a physical place up in the sky that people can go to. This is incorrect.

It may have a sense of dimension when we get there, and who can say what the “mansions” might be, but we are not going to be corporeal beings there until after the physical universe has been destroyed and then recreated. Until we are raised from the dead at the Last Judgment, we will be experiencing Heaven in a spiritual way, and not physically.
 
Before I became a Catholic, I wondered at how the New Testament was formed. I could never get a complete answer. I didn’t believe that it simply dropped out of the sky. But I didn’t know who decided and how it was decided to use the books that ultimately became the Canon.

It took close to 400 years before a definative Canon was decided upon.

For Protestants, what is your view and knowledge of how and when the Canon was decided? Was the Holy Spirit guiding the the men who made these decisions. There were many writings and many books under consideration. There was much debate.

Today, many pagan and new age people point to other non-canon books and make the claim that they were deliberately suppressed and that the Church had no right to choose the books that were decided upon.

My answer to them has been the same as I gave earlier. The Canon came from the Traditions of the Early Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit guided these men. They were the leaders of the Church which still is guided by the Holy Spirit in spite of the weaknesses of the human being.

( I realize this is somewhat off topic in regard to repitition. But, it does point to my belief that the Church does have the authority to interpret the Scripture in regard to how we are to understand The Blessed Virgin Mary and the part she plays in our lives. These traditions are of very ancient origin)
 
So when the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom at Jesus’ death on the Cross, does that mean we sew it back up and continue as if the New Covenant were the same as the Old. Jesus spoke against such “patching”.
No; the tearing of the Temple veil signified the end of the Old Covenant, and we no longer perform the Jewish ceremonial laws. Instead of being initiated into the Old Covenant by being circumcised at eight days old, we are baptized into the New Covenant by water and the Holy Spirit.

We also no longer have ritual animal sacrifice. Christ’s sacrifice takes the place of those old animal sacrifices, and Christ’s priests offer up His sacrifice, rather than the sacrifice of animals, at every Mass. Instead of eating the meat of the Old Covenant sacrifices, Christ’s followers eat and drink His body and blood, soul and divinity. 🙂
 
It isn’t a question at all, all Catholics talk to God as HE IS OUR FATHER. Be real? You treat God as some petty little 3 year old who can’t understand how much we love Him in our hearts because we’re not shouting Praise God 24 hours a day so that everyone can see what good Christians we are. And since, by your last sentence says, I can tell him my requests for others, how much the better that the Blessed Virgin ans the Saints add their voices to my requests since they are with Him in Heaven.
You don’t get it.
 
Jesus Himself said that he came not to destory the law but to full fill it. I did not intend to suggest that we continue to live under the law. You are absolutely correct in that the death and resurrection of Jesus did away with the old Jewish laws. However, that does not mean the Church hasn’t continued some of the rituals and ceremonies of the old faith. Think about the similarities. There are quite a few.
 
And just who are you that I should believe you instead of the Catholic Church.🤷
…probably a “whosoever” kinda person. The same type of “whosoever” mentioned throughout the Word of God… (i.e. John 3:16)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that “whosoever” believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Or, how about these?..

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:13 For “whosoever” shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1John 4:15 “Whosoever” shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God

1 John 5:1 “Whosoever” believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
 
…probably a “whosoever” kinda person. The same type of “whosoever” mentioned throughout the Word of God… (i.e. John 3:16)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that “whosoever” believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Or, how about these?..

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:13 For “whosoever” shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1John 4:15 “Whosoever” shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God

1 John 5:1 “Whosoever” believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
All these say is that anyone can be a believer. (Which we already knew.) You have set yourself up in authority over us as a teacher, however. (Since when we disagree with your interpretation, you say that we are “wrong” as if you had the sole claim to truth, or a higher claim to truth than what we have.)

On what basis do you presume to teach us?
 
…probably a “whosoever” kinda person. The same type of “whosoever” mentioned throughout the Word of God… (i.e. John 3:16)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that “whosoever” believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Or, how about these?..

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:13 For “whosoever” shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

1John 4:15 “Whosoever” shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God

1 John 5:1 “Whosoever” believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
but don’t forget; Matt 7:21; “Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven but ONLY the one who DOES the will of my Father.”👍
God bless.
 
All these say is that anyone can be a believer. (Which we already knew.) You have set yourself up in authority over us as a teacher, however. (Since when we disagree with your interpretation, you say that we are “wrong” as if you had the sole claim to truth, or a higher claim to truth than what we have.)

On what basis do you presume to teach us?
I became a servant when I believed on Jesus as my Lord and Savior.

Not just that… the Word of God states that as a “whosoever” I can also be SAVED. No need for a “magesterium” or Pope figure. I can go directly to God THROUGH Jesus. So… where do you get your authority to tell me otherwise? Just as the Word of God says…

Now that I am a servant… I now have the authority to preach the Gospel.

Mar 13:34 [For the Son of man is] as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
 
but don’t forget; Matt 7:21; “Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven but ONLY the one who DOES the will of my Father.”👍
God bless.
I’ll be sure to build my faith on the Word of God so that I don’t fall into that category.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
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