Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

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DignumEtJustum said:
Are you telling me the sacred mysteries are really more understood in English than in Latin?
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They are for me, because I understand my own language and I don’t understand Latin.

They’re more understood in Korean by the South Koreans than they are in Latin.

They’re more understood in French by the French…etc.
 
Hereiam said:
it leaves the question people who prefer either forms of the Mass prefer one form of the Mass over the other over the entertainment value instead of focusing on the glory of the Holy Sacrifice…
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Makes sense - but I prefer the OF because I don’t have to read a book during the Mass (which isn’t what my focus should be on) to know what’s going on, therefore I’m better able to focus on the Holy Sacrifice.
 
I don’t know if it was in this thread, but I don’t believe I ever said the Traditional Latin Mass was irrevocably superior. I believe I said " linfinitely" superior. Nyuk-nyuk!
 
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I am more of a hat girl.
Is this one too much?😉
 
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Maybe for High Mass. In Sweden.
Wait—do they even have churches there anymore??
 
What about Church? This hat is pretty typical of the hats worn by many of the women in my neighborhood to Church, albeit they are mostly not Catholic.

It’s a hat, my head would be covered, so what is the problem?
It matches by skirt suit beautifully!
 
Well, here’s the thing (from somebody who remembers Mass before the Great Change). . . most of what is ‘in the book’ you already know.

Seriously.

And you don’t have to read it, "At the Mass’ (just as now for the OF you don’t 'have to read the epistles etc during the Mass; you can read them in your pocket missalette at home and meditate on them). Of course some people choose to follow along even now at the OF and not just at those points because, well, some people’s hearing starts to go. If you are sitting in front and you still can’t hear well, and you want to fully participate, then you really SHOULD be reading, shouldn’t you? Again, of course, after many years, you know what is being said almost (key word almost) without having to see or hear, because you’ve seen and heard and it becomes ‘ingrained’. The same thing happens with that ‘other Mass’. Especially since there are fewer readings (we Catholics were encouraged to read our Bibles outside Mass too). And since many parishes since 2011 have gone back to the way Vatican 2 said and put in the Greek Kyrie and the Latin Credo, Sanctus, Gloria, etc., you’re going to find those fairly familiar. (although the Kyrie is said more often). There are going to be ‘secret’ prayers which again, you can read at home and meditate on when you hear them (but then again, how often do you really hear the priest saying some of the prayers before the Sanctus? Some priests bellow them out but some do not! And again, just go to the Roman canon (#1) and while it’s shorter than the usual prayers at the consecration during the EF, you’ll have all the basics right there.

And again, the more you hear, the more familiar even "Latin’ words will be.
 
Where in the Bible is Latin spoken of as the official language of God?
 
As a necktie wearer myself, I advocate for the slim 1960s style tie. 3 inches is about as wide as I go, tie wise. 2 and a half to 2 7/8 inches wide are ideal. No novelty ties. No paisley. Stripes, plaid or geometric shapes are ideal. Best base colors: Navy Blue and Burgundy Red. Tie clips should be worn. The half Windsor knot is the best tie knot.

I have strong opinions about neckties. 🙂
 
I read the readings while they are being read. I often “get” things better when I read them myself instead of listening to them being read.
 
Whoa, buddy! I was able to tolerate the inconsequential squabbles over language in this thread but you’ve crossed a line. “Less is more” is so yesteryear. “Go big or go home” is the only valid philosophy here.

• Paisley works if you know what you’re doing with it.
• If your shirt isn’t bright your tie needs to be. Contrast not blend.

Examples I’ve actually worn:
  1. Bright red tie on blue & white Tartan Plaid shirt
    [HipsterVoice] You probably don’t even know what that is. [/HipsterVoice]
  2. Pink tie on navy blue Microdot shirt.
  3. Brown and lime paisley tie on cream colored shirt. Suspenders no belt. Extra points if you arrive with an appropriate hat (Men really need to start wearing hats again in public and I don’t mean ball caps).
I can compromise on tie clips though I usually dispense with them. The FULL Windsor knot is absolutely, positively, non-negotiable. It’s the “Roman Canon” of tie knots in this argument. Quit being lazy, you schmuck.

In the interest of ecumenism I will say you are absolutely right about novelty ties and I think we can agree that a burning of such ties at the stake should be included as a mandatory rite in RCIA for all men. Perhaps following the Scrutinies?
 
Yes, I know, that’s why I posted this.
I have run into a few younger ladies who thought everyone always wore a a lacy mantilla style veil, who just can’t believe that hats like the one I posted would be acceptable.
 
Bow ties. Bow ties are cool. I never routinely wore one until my son gave me one as a present. They are a nice change up.
 
Lets not get carried away here! This isn’t 1977! 🙂

First, the full Windsor takes up too much tie. My boss is on the short side, so he does a full Windsor to take up extra fabric. I personally feel the knot looks too large, and the 4 in hand knot can look off because it lacks symmetry.

Bright or bold colored dress shirts are a definite no go for me. That is virtually canonical. I work in an office, not a nightclub in Miami.

Dress shirts should be either white, white with stripes or white with a subtle pattern. While white is preferable, blue is optional, as is ecru (cream).

I am a convert to the Ivy League button down collar. I used to be all about point or spread collars, but today I am wearing a white oxford button collar shirt with blue and dark grey stripes, and a tie that has dark red and blue diamond pattern
 
I taught myself some years ago how to tie a bow tie, but I never do it and I can’t remember how. It is hard to do a bow tie right. I do like them though. They work really well on some people.
 
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I see we’ve reached an impasse, and Christian charity would dictate that I let you have the last word. Allow me to respond to this, however:
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Lets not get carried away here! This isn’t 1977! 🙂
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Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI desired that there be “Mutual Enrichment” of the two forms of the Roman Rite. Consider this my way of bringing a little Novus Ordo to the “Mass of the Ages”. 🙂
 
Experiencing a bout of nostalgia right now, remembering a black & white houndstooth check rayon pleated skirt with matching tucked in short sleeved front buttoned blouse, inch-wide shiny black patent leather belt, matching shoes, topped off with a “hairband” hat consisting of a 4-inch wide swath of white feathers arranged in one direction, starting from just above the left ear, continuing in a graceful arch to the opposite side.

There. I’ve said it. I think I was 12 at the time. Head coverings were very important.
 
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