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Obedience to the Word of God is everything to a Christian. You still have yet to prove the eucharist as the actual flesh of Jesus. Could you please stick with the topic?
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Jesus in John Chapter 6 speaks that we must eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood. You have to take his word for it that we must literally consumed God. Many of the Jews that believe in Jesus find that eating his flesh and drinking his blood find it hard to believe that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood.
Jesus explain again, that they have to eat. In the Jewish mind, eating flesh of a fellow man is forbidden in Mosaic Law ((See Lev 26:26-30. " After I shall have broken the staff of your bread: so that ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and give it out by weight: and you shall eat, and shall not be filled. But if you will not for all this hearken to me, but will walk against me: I will also go against you with opposite fury, and I will chastise you with seven plagues for your sins, So that you shall eat the flesh of your sons and of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, and break your idols. You shall fall among the ruins of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
With this in mind, Jews knew that by eating Jesus flesh was forbidden in according to the Mosaic Law. That is why they find it hard to believe that they have to eat his flesh. They left Jesus. See John Chapter 6 verse 66, **After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him. **
We must believe and practice what Jesus has taught and preached. This include, consuming Jesus’ flesh and his blood. Second, there is no symbolism in John 6 concerning the Jesus’ body and blood.
This is further verified by Paul in his letter to the Corinthians (See 1 Cor Chapter 11 verses 18-34.) I will summarized that verse. Paul is distress that some have come to the Lord’s Supper because they were hungry, and thirsty. If you read further down, he said that do you not have a house to eat and drink? and ask do you dispise the Church of God, and humilate those who have nothing. These Corinthians have received the Body and Blood of the Lord and some have become ill and die.
Before receiving the Lord’s flesh and blood, he must examine himself, so they can worthily received the Flesh and Blood of the Son of Man.
So as often as you received the Body and Blood of the Lord, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes in glory.
Why did some fell ill, and some die? Because of their unbelief. They were receiving the Lord’s supper unworthily.
You may say, the flesh is to no avail. Ah, there now it is symbolism? But no, I say. For spirit does not mean symbolism. Indeed the spirit does give life.
Further explanation below.
The flesh profiteth nothing"… Dead flesh separated from the spirit, in the gross manner they supposed they were to eat his flesh, would profit nothing. Neither doth man’s flesh, that is to say, man’s natural and carnal apprehension, (which refuses to be subject to the spirit, and words of Christ,) profit any thing. But it would be the height of blasphemy, to say the living flesh of Christ (which we receive in the blessed sacarament, with his spirit, that is, with his soul and divinity) profiteth nothing. For if Christ’s flesh had profited us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us.
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NO, but do the verses you quoted say any thing about the works and obedience which are mentioned in the following verses which also talk about the promise of eternal life?
Matthew 19:16-17
Now someone approached him and said, “Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?” He answered him, “Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Romans 2:5-8
God, who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works,
You see it is not just belief alone, but belief and obedience.
We believe in Jesus’ words, which are that his body is real food, and his blood is real drink and we partake in it. That is obedience, and through that belief and obedience we obtain eternal life.
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NotWorthy
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But the obedience to His Word means accepting that when He says, “This is my Body” and “This is my Blood”, and then instructs his new priests, the Apostles to “Offer this up as a memorial to me”, then this obedient Catholic gladly and humbly bows his head and worships the Lord as he receives Jesus in the Eucharist.
Praise God!!!
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True or false. Whoever eats the eucharist has eternal life.
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believers
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True or false. Whoever eats the eucharist has eternal life.
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runandsew
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What did Jesus say?
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NotWorthy
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BTW, no it’s not to EVERY Christian. The “Faith Alone” crowd don’t buy off on obedience. They’ve accepted the modern definition of “believe” instead of the Jewish definition.
I was just trying to see which camp you fit in.
BTW, You passed!
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believers
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Jesus never said that the eucharist was His flesh. Your religion did.
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Mannyfit75
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Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. John Chapter 6 verse 54.
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Start another topice about obedience to the Word.
In the meantime, I’d like to hear from you how you can prove that the eucharist is actually the flesh of jesus.
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Yes, He did. Now prove that the eucharist is His flesh.
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NotWorthy
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Define “Eternal Life”
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BrianH
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WHAT?
That is the single most confusing thing I have heard on this board in a year. You get more eternal life, you either have eternal life at some point or you do not??
So do you have to have the Eucharist to get eternal life?
Yes or No please.
Where do you get that Grace=eternal life as something that can build up in your salvation account?
I need some verses that use eternal life.
I need some verses that mean life eternal please.
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Mannyfit75
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Eucharist means thanksgiving. It is also unleaven bread in the Latin Rite Catholic Church. In the Eastern Rite, Byzantine Catholic, they use leaven bread. The Orthodox also uses leaven bread. The Eucharist is used in the Last Supper. Jesus said that he is the bread of life.
In the Catholic tradition, this bread is consecrated and becomes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Wikipedia:
You are wrong to say that it isn’t.
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That’s your job, please prove the eucharist.
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NotWorthy
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I’m partial to Manny’s post #71.
Prove to me He was trying to confuse us when He said that, for that’s what He did if He wasn’t to be taken literally.
When Jesus uses “Trago” to define “eating of His flesh” He would have been saying “You must hate and revile me…” if these words were to be taken symbollically.
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BrianH
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So you DO think you get eternal life from the Eucharist? I did not know that. Is that in the Catechism. But you would think you would have to be worthy or every Tom, Dick, and Harry Catholic would be saved because of eating the Eucharist?
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Last I checked Wikipedia was not the Word of God. Please prove the eucharist with the Word of God.
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