Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[Teelynn]

How do they accept someone like that?

The dictatorship of relativism.

:sad_yes: Relativism is Satan’s calling card. The values of the world and this country are quickly becoming upside down, same as you see in Satanic rituals, everything upside down, distorted and perverted.

 

[aicirt]

I know the feeling of frustration Angels.

Child aborted: Outrage!

Child dies of starvation in the U.S. due to poverty and right wing anti-Welfare policy: Crikets chirp OR Blame Liberals

Please cite where a child has died from starvation in the US due to poverty. I know there have been “parents” who have starved their children. There are many, many resourses for food. I was a social worker. We brought food to parents in need, set them up to receive welfare and/or food stamps, had a pantry in our office for emergencies, sent them to church pantries and/or federal pantries. We also monitored those families who had difficulty knowing how to provide a proper diet for their children.

 

[jediliz]

a former abortionist (he’s retired) named Winston Crabb was an ELDER at a local presbetyrian Church here. How these men (and in some cases, women) can abort babies during the week and then call themselves “christians” is beyond me…I see it as “lip service”.

 

[gilliam]

Palin issues statement condemning George Tiller’s murder

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I’m sure the people in his Reformed Lutheran Chruch think of themselves as decent. How do they accept someone who has admitted to 60,000 abortions? How did they accept his money? Fifty years ago, an abortionist was some shadowy character or, if known in the community, was shunned. Today, the abortionist is church usher and his wife sings in the choir.

This is probably the more puzzling aspect. There is this disconnect between what he did and how he acted. How do you act like a normal person and go to church when your job is to kill babies?

My son spent more than 2 months in the NICU, I saw first hand many 3rd trimester babies. I know they felt pain by their little feeble cries when they were poked and prodded. I saw a 24 week little girl. She looked like a baby, just small and thin.
How arrogant to do this and go to church and pretend to be normal. That people accepted this is so confusing. That people are praising him as a hero is obscene.

The killer should have realized that by killing Tiller, he elevated him to be some pro-abortion martyr. He committed countless evil deeds, and does not deserve praise, or a day of remembrance or anything.

I pray the Lord is merciful.

 

[DonHudzinski]

It is not the Pro-life movement that promotes the killing of the unwanted, but PP with the statement, “Terminate Unwanted Pregnancy”, but when the unwanted list becomes one of their own, they call foul. Lets keep the record straight.

Termination of an unwanted abortionist come right out of their play book not ours. They train the culture and promote their unwanted list and we place nobody on any such list.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

The statement is signed by The Rev. Lowell Michelson and The Rev. Kristin Neitzel.

Reformation Lutheran Church

The Reformation Lutheran Church family is shocked and deeply saddened by the violent murder of Dr. George Tiller, a longtime member of our congregation, that occurred in our church home May 31.

Our congregation strives to be a safe place for all people. We deplore the violence that took place within the walls of our church. Further, we reject any notion that violence against another human being is an acceptable way to resolve differences over any issue. We must always strive to engage in peaceful discussion. Our faith calls us to this. Our humanity demands it.

In the wake of this tragic event, our deepest concern is for the family of George Tiller. We ask the community to join us in prayer for them as they face the difficult days ahead. Our hearts ache with them. We also ask that the family’s privacy be respected.

Members of Reformation Lutheran Church have been deeply affected by this tragedy. To address their needs, we are assembling a team of crisis intervention specialists.
In this time of uncertainty, we stand firm in the promises of Jesus Christ: forgiveness, hope, love, and new life, even from death. We pray for healing and peace to be restored. We offer our thanks for the many prayers of support from across the country. Your words of encouragement are a blessing to the people of Reformation Lutheran Church and Wichita.

The Rev. Lowell Michelson, The Rev. Kristin Neitzel

kansas.com/news/tiller/story/835020.html

Do they really? Had they ever comunicated to Mr. Tiller the need to stop his profession, to stop the killing, to repent?

 

[Feanor2]

I don’t mean to condemn anyone when I get concerned that some people sound uncharitable or un-Christian. I understand the anger & frustration. I really think we do harm to our cause, though, when we use inflammatory language & hint that this is justified. (I’m not saying that everyone has done that). There are people on the fringe out there who can misinterpret our frustration & think we agree with their acts of violence. Others might look at a board like this & stay away from the Catholic faith or pro-life movement. A girl or woman in our lives will not come to us for help or advice if they hear us talking about baby killers & hating Tiller.

It’s hard, but we’re not supposed to hate our enemies & those that are horribly misguided.

Exactly!

It is the un-charitable reactions to this event that have and will keep me away from the organized Pro-Life movement. I would like to be physically involved but I will not associate with anyone with such twisted ideas about “justice.”

Instead I am left to raise my heart in prayer for the unborn.

How many good Catholics have excluded themselves from the organized Pro-life movement after reading and hearing of the sentiments of some within said movement.

THose placing :" when referencing the possible damnation of this man make me sick. The Divine Judgement should be approached and pondered with “fear and trembling.”

We all need God’s mercy, “especially those most in need of His mercy.”

 

[DawnInTexas]

Judge not… people weren’t basing their stuff on feeling or blindly following a few so we could watch more babies die. Many votes were based upon FACTS that the number of abortions had flatlined in our nation and were beginning to increase. Millions of LIVING children are sick and malnourished, millions of mothers do not have health care to take care of the babies they want… The juggerknot that was the last administration may have called itself pro-life to get votes but unlike some others, actions speak louder than words for me.

Believe what you want, you obviously will but to me you can’t be Pro-Life and pro-death penality, not care of the health of the living (both children and adults), poverty nor the ability of women to take care of the children they are blessed with (intentional or not).

THAT is the problem in this Nation - this IS NO PRO-LIFE party. One promotes pro-choice and the other promotes pro-death at every other turn of clock…

Our administration isn’t looking to demonize Pro-Life groups, but they are looking to stop people from murdering people. We can’t let this stuff happen or continue or it will be the end of the movement.

The administration has been in contract many times this year with the USCCB and I believe is working on a balance. Until we get goobers like are quoted in those articles saying that Jesus said life beings at conception we will NEVER EVER EVER WIN. First of all, Jesus didn’t say that.

MORE importantly it drops abortion to a Religious argument. We MUST state - “Dr. X’s research shows life begins at conception and we are fighting to help more people realize this because while our religious convection tell is this is true, we understand that to chance the view of our nation we must work with in the defined context.”

Or we work to use the words from Tiller’s previous websites against them… “viability” that’s IS life… you can’t argue against that unless you let someone digress the argument.

Abortion is not a religious argument but as long as we get people on TV stating that all the time, that is all it will ever be and close to half the Nation will just ignore the issue.

Sad but true…

Joe

I certainly am pro-life, and pro-death penalty.

Maybe this will explain:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=195736

or this:
catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0402qq.asp

…I am to judge actions. I am of the age to know right from wrong. Otherwise, how could I raise my children?

I am never to judge a soul to Heaven or hell. However, I didn’t do that.

I do my best to be obedient to the Pope, and our Bishops when it comes to Faith and Morals. After all, they are dictated in the Catholic Church, and there is no room for “change.” Cut and dried. Black and white. Faith and Morals.

+Peace In Christ.
-Dawn

BTW, what is your source that “The administration has been in contract many times this year with the USCCB and I believe is working on a balance.”

Also, when you wrote: “Until we get goobers like are quoted in those articles saying that Jesus said life beings at conception we will NEVER EVER EVER WIN. First of all, Jesus didn’t say that.”

<-Jesus didn’t say that? Well, his Church did. And does. The Bride of Christ. Faith and Morals. Led by God the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.

The Paraclete said that. Through St. Peter->the Popes who have taken Peter’s Place.

 

[aicirt]

a former abortionist (he’s retired) named Winston Crabb was an ELDER at a local presbetyrian Church here. How these men (and in some cases, women) can abort babies during the week and then call themselves “christians” is beyond me…I see it as “lip service”.

How does the Presbyterian Church allow it??!! What is with these “Christian” Churches?

Oh…NOW wants a day of mourning for Tiller the Killer.

 

[MrS]

Do they really? Had they ever comunicated to Mr. Tiller the need to stop his profession, to stop the killing, to repent?

Probably not if he was a regular “tither”.

Those “pastors” are at best - ignorant. And at worst, complicit in their obvious condoning of the pre-meditated murderer in their midst.

The man was a murderer, and lucky that his limbs were not torn away one by one.

I hope that his death has prevented some abortions… perhaps the woman due for “health care” at his butcher shop this morning, will have time to reflect on her personal desires… and let her child live.

.

 

[elgar]

This is probably the more puzzling aspect. There is this disconnect between what he did and how he acted. How do you act like a normal person and go to church when your job is to kill babies?

My son spent more than 2 months in the NICU, I saw first hand many 3rd trimester babies. I know they felt pain by their little feeble cries when they were poked and prodded. I saw a 24 week little girl. She looked like a baby, just small and thin.
How arrogant to do this and go to church and pretend to be normal. That people accepted this is so confusing. That people are praising him as a hero is obscene.

The killer should have realized that by killing Tiller, he elevated him to be some pro-abortion martyr. He committed countless evil deeds, and does not deserve praise, or a day of remembrance or anything.

I pray the Lord is merciful.

You hit the “pro-abortion martyr” outcome on the head. Does the Matthew Shepard martyrdom by the folks who broadly paint all Evangelicals as Fred Phelps clones resonate here? The Episcopal church has practically canonized Shepard since he was a member of that denomination.

I too am so puzzled how a Christian church–I used to respect ELCA Lutherans-- could let this man be part of the leadership of their congregation let alone receive communion. Knowing the risks of having such a controversial person in their midst put many of their members at a greater risk of getting hurt. This isn’t the first shooting to take place in a church recently BTW. I’m certainly not sticking up for Tiller’s murder either. I suppose we can’t judge the person–that’s God’s job–but we certainly can just his evil acts and his clergy should have called him on it a long time ago.

 

[LoveJesus]

Well…I see a number of people on this thread attempting to speak for God as to why Dr. Tiller was murdered. Where is the humility? You don’t know. I don’t know. Only God knows.

I think it’s disrespectful to God to even try to humanize Him and make Him seem as though He thinks with human emotions as we humans do.

Good, innocent people die everyday…some heinously (like the aborted babies). Yet God allows this to happen. Why? I don’t know. Many don’t deserve to die in our eyes. Some deserve to die* in our eyes*. Despite the progress the Church has made in the past two millenia, we are still so very limited in our understanding of God. When we try to explain why God let this person die and* why God doesn’t just have that person killed already* we are overstepping our boundaries.

Just believe that God’s got it all together and is merciful to ALL of His Creation.

 

[DawnInTexas]

……MORE importantly it drops abortion to a Religious argument. We MUST state - "Dr. X’s research shows life begins at conception and we are fighting to help more people realize this because while our religious convection tell is this is true, we understand that to chance the view of our nation we must work with in the defined context."

Or we work to use the words from Tiller’s previous websites against them… “viability” that’s IS life… you can’t argue against that unless you let someone digress the argument.

Abortion is not a religious argument but as long as we get people on TV stating that all the time, that is all it will ever be and close to half the Nation will just ignore the issue.

Sad but true…

Joe

What comes to mind is the young man who died and went to hell. He begged Jesus that he be allowed to go and warn his brothers.

Christ’s answer was along the lines of: Why would they listen to you, when they won’t heed my words?

What makes you think “they” will listen to Doctor X, when they won’t listen to Christ?

It’s in Holy Scripture. It’s in the Bible. Yes, that’s Religion…
If you’re saying we have to get a secular Doctor to make a statement, I am sure “they” will come up with their own who says the opposite.

Satan is a liar.
The Prince of Lies.

+Dominus Vobiscum,
-Dawn

 

[Mickey_Finn]

The idea that we may kill undesired people is the very mindset that gave us abortion in the first place.

This says it all. The gunman and Dr. Tiller were both wrong. Now they, and their families, need our prayers.

 

[mmm1]

Exactly!

It is the un-charitable reactions to this event that have and will keep me away from the organized Pro-Life movement. I would like to be physically involved but I will not associate with anyone with such twisted ideas about “justice.”

Instead I am left to raise my heart in prayer for the unborn.

How many good Catholics have excluded themselves from the organized Pro-life movement after reading and hearing of the sentiments of some within said movement.

THose placing :" when referencing the possible damnation of this man make me sick. The Divine Judgement should be approached and pondered with “fear and trembling.”

We all need God’s mercy, “especially those most in need of His mercy.”

I really agree with you. I do think that some groups are great though, like Priests For Life. Also, I know that in the 40 Days for Life campaigns you have to sign a pledge against violence & to be prayerful & respectful. I understand your concerns, though & I know that your prayers do more good than we know.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

The man was a murderer, and lucky that his limbs were not torn away one by one

I don’t think Dr. Tiller is lucky by any stretch of the imagination. If he owed a dept on this earth. He’s paid it. I shudder to think what may await him now.

 

[mmm1]

What comes to mind is the young man who died and went to hell. He begged Jesus that he be allowed to go and warn his brothers.

Christ’s answer was along the lines of: Why would they listen to you, when they won’t heed my words?

What makes you think “they” will listen to Doctor X, when they won’t listen to Christ?

It’s in Holy Scripture. It’s in the Bible. Yes, that’s Religion…
If you’re saying we have to get a secular Doctor to make a statement, I am sure “they” will come up with their own who says the opposite.

Satan is a liar.
The Prince of Lies.

+Dominus Vobiscum,
-Dawn

I agree with jwashu here that if you are debating abortion with non-believers or those of different faiths, biblical arguments & quoting the Catechism mean nothing to them. They will not listen. Reasoned arguments & meeting them where they are at (proving to them they are wrong in their science or logic) is the only thing that works. Also, some of these people are so extreme that we will never change their minds, but others reading or listening to the debate might if we are respectful & charitable.

 

[ktingle]

I don’t think Dr. Tiller is lucky by any stretch of the imagination. If he owed a dept on this earth. He’s paid it. I shudder to think what may await him now.

Oh my Jesus forgive us our sins save us from the fires of Hell. Lead ALL souls to heaven ESPECIALLY those in most need of thy mercy.
This is a very important prayer,I try to say it many times a day.

 

[system]

Having read 400 posts in this thread, and leaving one myself, I must say I am stunned by what I’ve seen here.

I thank those very few who spoke up with the truth of the Catholic Church. (Looking your way Robert)

Having read this website for a long time, it just struck me that this is probably the same stuff we would see if someone assassinated our President Or speaker of the House

Not trying to start a fight - just trying to make y’all think.

That’s right - I said “y’all”