Admitting children of same-sex couples to Catholic elementary schools

[contemplative]

wcknight:

Your very reply exhibits the biases I am referring to. You have automatically assumed that all gay parents are unfit parents. You automatically assume that all gays will lie about passing themselves off as the ‘real parents’.

I only equate gays with other minorities because they are being treated similarly. The same assumptions made about other minorities are being made against them. The same sterotyping, the same biases etc. Anytime you take a generalization about a group of folks and apply it to every individual in that group (such as white, blacks, gays, etc) you will be inherently wrong.

Even if most gays are living in serious sin that does NOT mean that ALL gays are guilty. Even if only one gay is not in serious sin you are wrong. That is basic logic.

The reason why bigotry and discrimination is wrong is precisely because folks make such generalizations and assign them to all individuals in a group.

I don’t oppose you because I think homosexuals are right. I oppose you because I know bigotry is wrong.

OFF TOPIC
Stick to the subject of the thread!

And here you are…still flinging negative and incorrect accusations around. Is that all you have?

 

[contemplative]

wcknight:

(such as white, blacks, gays, etc)

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You can’t clump this way…it doesn’t apply.

 

[contemplative]

contemplative:

No one is proposing locking children in basements. So don’t YOU insult me.
Also, segragation is not the proposal here. You are confusing God’s given gift of discernment with segragation.

What if a parent…any parent walked into a school function sporting a blasphemous tatoo or t-shirt…use your own imagination…wouldn’t that person be promptly escorted out? Now you tell me how Catholic school officials are going to escort a same-sex couple out of a school function? My point is that once you let the blatant sin in you are asking for trouble. You can more easily escort a father sporting a blasphemous tatoo out of school than a man and man or woman and woman linked at the elbows.
Don’t invite evil in.

This scenario hasn’t been addressed yet. Over and over again this picture and this question is ignored. Have a little foresight folks. Some very good parents do not want their children to be unnecessarily exposed to homosexual parents. It is their right to prevent this in a Catholic school situation. I believe that ultimately the Church will protect all children at risk of exposure.

 

[wcknight]

contemplative:

OFF TOPIC
Stick to the subject of the thread!

And here you are…still flinging negative and incorrect accusations around. Is that all you have?

Discrimantions IS the subject of this thread

And denial of it, is all you have,

 

[wcknight]

Lets take an example. Suppose my wife and I have a young grade school age child and we want them raised in a Catholic school. We get into an accidenat and my only other living relative is a sister who lives with a partner, AND according to Church teaching they are living together but in a chaste manner.

They end up adopting my child, which I would much prefer than to have them sent off to live with total strangers. They apply to have my child enrolled in a Catholic grade school. And folks here have decided not to allow kids from a gay couple attend. That is discrimination and folks here have prejudged them to be living in sin. They may be gay but that are doing their best to abide by Church teachings. That is discrimination and bigotry, plain and simple.

The situation applies and it is exactly what we are taliking about.

 

[felra]

Lets take an example. Suppose my wife and I have a young grade school age child and we want them raised in a Catholic school. We get into an accidenat and my only other living relative is a sister who lives with a partner, AND according to Church teaching they are living together but in a chaste manner.

They end up adopting my child, which I would much prefer than to have them sent off to live with total strangers.

This a revealing personal choice.

They apply to have my child enrolled in a Catholic grade school.

Not a problem.

And folks here have decided not to allow kids from a gay couple

attend.
Okay so far (assumming “folks” are the proper school authority and in line with Church teaching in matters of faith and morals in setting school policy for admission and conduct).

That is discrimination and folks here have prejudged them to be living in sin. They may be gay

but that are doing their best to abide by Church teachings. That is discrimination and bigotry, plain and simple.
Nice try at a bait and switch. :tsktsk: Get me agreeing with you, then try to violate the legitimate authority of the Catholic school to ensure and protect the intergity of the Catholic culture, by slipping under my radar “they may be gay”. Please, either they resepctful of and adhere to Catholic teaching or they are still practicing the gay lifestyle.

The situation applies and it is exactly what we are taliking about.

Not. :nope: Try again.

 

[contemplative]

wcknight:

Discrimantions IS the subject of this thread

And denial of it, is all you have,

DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
This is what the thread is about.

wcknights vocabulary: discrimination, bigotry. segregation, predjudice, blacks, whites, gays

All of these words in your vocabulary simply do not apply to this situation. Well, they would apply to a public school…or public park…or public transit service…or public toilet…

Do you want public? You know where to go and get public stuff. Go for it.

 

[wcknight]

felra:

This a revealing personal choice.

Not a problem.

Okay so far (assumming “folks” are the proper school authority and in line with Church teaching in matters of faith and morals in setting school policy for admission and conduct).

Nice try at a bait and switch. :tsktsk: Get me agreeing with you, then try to violate the legitimate authority of the Catholic school to ensure and protect the intergity of the Catholic culture, by slipping under my radar “they may be gay”. Please, either they are respectful of Catholic teaching or they are still practicing the gay lifestyle.

Not. :nope: Try again.

I said they were being chaste as the Church demands.

You seem to have a problem with semantics, no one is trying to pull one over on you. I explained the situation, and you oppose it or agree which is it. Please explain to us what your acceptable position is.

 

[wcknight]

DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
DISCERNMENT AND PROTECTION FOR OUR CHILDREN
This is what the thread is about.

wcknights vocabulary: discrimination, bigotry. segregation, predjudice, blacks, whites, gays

All of these words in your vocabulary simply do not apply to this situation. Well, they would apply to a public school…or public park…or public transit service…or public toilet…

Do you want public? You know where to go and get public stuff. Go for it.

I’m sure every bigot and racist said the exact same thing in the 50’s

 

[contemplative]

This push for children of same-sex couples into Catholic schools may be the very nudge our Church needs to raise standards of education for our children to adjust to changes in our culture.Raising standards most certainly could not include children of same-sex partners into Catholic schools.
STEP ONE:
All parents sending children to Catholic schools will be asked to sign a letter of affirmation upholding the Catholic Church.

 

[contemplative]

wcknight:

I’m sure every bigot and racist said the exact same thing in the 50’s

OOPs! forgot racist…another word in your vocab.

Please don’t even try to equate this to the profound and heroic act of Rosa Parks. I hope you aren’t trying to imitate Rosa Parks here on this thread. If you are your cause doesn’t apply this time.

 

[contemplative]

contemplative:

This push for children of same-sex couples into Catholic schools may be the very nudge our Church needs to raise standards of education for our children to adjust to changes in our culture.Raising standards most certainly could not include children of same-sex partners into Catholic schools.
STEP ONE:
All parents sending children to Catholic schools will be asked to sign a letter of affirmation upholding the Catholic Church.

Yes, I like STEP ONE.

 

[felra]

wcknight:

felra:

I said they were being chaste as the Church demands.

You seem to have a problem with semantics, no one is trying to pull one over on you. I explained the situation, and you oppose it or agree which is it. Please explain to us what your acceptable position is.

It is your words that need the explaining as you argue your position that a SSA based “couple” identity and living arrangement ought to be allowed to defy Catholic values and openly enrol their child into a Catholic institution:

They may be gay but that are doing their best to abide by Church teachings.

What exactly does this mean? Their relationship and living arrangement is founded and apparantly maintained on their sexual preference. “Doing their best” implies a struggle to not act on the disordered desire of SSA. How does the school know that they are “gay” unless information is presented? A bait and switch by any other name.

 

[wcknight]

Yes, by all means let’s raise standards to keep the riff raff out. That too was done before, you won’t be the first or the last to try to exclude folks that you deem to be undesirables. You follow in the same footsteps of many before you. Good riddance !

The Klan would be proud of you.

 

[mariainman]

I think all children should be able to have a Catholic education. I would hope that what goes on at home stays at home. If parent’s sins were the reason not to let children into Catholic school then there would not be any children there.Example: If heterosexual parents are using birth control(that goes against the church teaching)they should keep that to themselves also.I think we need to be excepting and loving towards others so that we can help guide them in the right direction.If children ask questions they should be told the church teaching, they should be asked to do the right thing and explain what Confession is for. What would Jesus do?

 

[wcknight]

felra:

wcknight:

It is your words that need the explaining as you argue your position that a SSA based “couple” identity and living arrangement ought to be allowed to defy Catholic values and openly enrol their child into a Catholic institution:

What exactly does this mean? Their relationship and living arrangement is founded and apparantly maintained on their sexual preference. “Doing their best” implies a struggle to not act on the disordered desire of SSA. How does the school know that they are “gay” unless information is presented? A bait and switch by any other name.

Not sure what you are objecting to ? They have a same sex attraction BUT do not engage in homosexual behavior.

If they are not engaging in any sexual activity they are abiding by Church rules.

 

[felra]

wcknight:

felra:

Not sure what you are objecting to ? They have a same sex attraction BUT do not engage in homosexual behavior.

If they are not engaging in any sexual activity they are abiding by Church rules.

Originally Posted by wcknight

“…a sister who lives with a partner …”
Exactly, so we agree. There should be no issue for the admission of an adopted child if they choose not to be be a cause of scandal by publically identifying themselves as a “couple” (through pronouncement or conduct) based on SSA sexual preference.

Note: You can claim to be sexually chaste and still be living the homosexual (i.e., same-sex) lifestyle (lifestyle based on sexual preference), as the relationship term “partner” connotes.

 

[fix]

mariainman:

What would Jesus do?

Mark 9:42

 

[Libero]

If you read my post I said a detailed discussion does not need to take place for young minds to ask questions about Johnny’s two daddies.

Well perhaps children should be taught to talk only of their own business to teachers, I would certainly not educate any children I had to go telling their teacher, infront of classmates about johnny’s two dads.

What? Homosexual activity is a sin and often a mental disorder. That few want to hide it now in no way is enlightenment, but a symptom of a greater cultural problem. These folks need medical and spiritual help. They do not need to think they should act out on it and claim minority status.

medical help? is their a cure? spiritual help? I dont think that these people need to be told what God thinks, and that they should follow it, there are flaws in such a statement. Such advice offers no solution.

Let’s decode this: manage to adapt = acceptance of an immoral lifestyle.

Let me help you here, you did not mean to type Let’s decode this, you meant:

Let me tell you what I think he means, I have no proof for this.

You think you know the meaning behind my words, try not to assume to much now.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Hello all;

Let me start with a Scripture reading, followed by a quick thought.

[1] As he passed by, he saw a man blind from his birth.
[2] And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
[3] Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be made manifest in him.
[4] We must work the works of him who sent me, while it is day; night comes, when no one can work.
[5] As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
[6] As he said this, he spat on the ground and made clay of the spittle and anointed the man’s eyes with the clay,
[7] saying to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Silo’am” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
[8] The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar, said, “Is not this the man who used to sit and beg?”
[9] Some said, “It is he”; others said, “No, but he is like him.” He said, “I am the man.”
[10] They said to him, “Then how were your eyes opened?”
[11] He answered, “The man called Jesus made clay and anointed my eyes and said to me, `Go to Silo’am and wash’; so I went and washed and received my sight.” (Jn 9:1-11)

If we are to do God’s work, then why would we turn away a child of one who has sinned. If that were the standard, wouldn’t our own children be turned away from the Catholic schools as well?

[7] And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” (Jn 8:7)

-Peace