Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez compares refugees to baby Jesus

[13pollitos]

No sense in carrying on a dialogue with someone who can not see the reasons statements like these are harmful.

 

[LastStand]

Judge Curiel (I assume that’s who you’re talking about) was a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a professional association of Latino lawyers. It’s a pretty non-controversial organization, typical of ethnically-based lawyers’ organizations around the country, much like, say, the Irish-American Bar Association of New York. There are many organizations with the phrase “La Raza” in their names. Some of them may advocate for positions with which you disagree. The organization of which Judge Curiel was a member is not related to other associations with those words in their names. It’s really no big deal. Trump was not “pointing out the bias of the judge,” he was assuming it with no evidence whatsoever. I would say it’s more demonstrative of bias on then-candidate Trump’s part.

The judge belongs to a Hispanic advocacy organization. Whose to say that he does not see his duty as a judge for Hispanics?

As to Trump “concurring with the self-professed wise Latina who admits that her race and gender affect her decisions,” he was in no way “concurring” with Justice Sotomayor, because she admits no such thing.

Who should I believe? You or the “wise Latina”?

Huh? How was Barack Obama “constantly passive-aggressive against white Americans?” How was he against white Americans at all?

The clingers comment, calling his own grandmother racist in public. That is just for starters.

 

[Inisfallen]

The judge belongs to a Hispanic advocacy organization. Whose to say that he does not see his duty as a judge for Hispanics?

I see. And you would feel the same about a judge who belonged to an Irish-American bar association, or an Italian-American bar association? Have you objected to such memberships in the past?

 

[Theo520]

It doesn’t work that way at all. I am all for helping the poor, but no one is lining up to take the jobs that illegal immigrants are taking. Farmers will advertise state and sometimes nation wide for workers. If they have any show up, they don’t stay for the length of the job. I am positive it is the same for other industries. I have seen first hand people claiming to need a job, any job, and when they finally get one, they work for a few days max and them quit. People complain about low wages, but no one wants prices to go up to cover higher wages either. Illegal immigrants are not getting rich. Most live below the poverty line and still manage to send money home to support family back home. And yes, most would love to be able to return home. My parents were legally here and would have loved to go back to Bolivia. Even with dementia, mom remembered home

It doesn’t matter whether they are lining up or not, or that they are less productive than a highly motivated illegal.

They are your neighbors who need the jobs. Cut benefits to motivate them. Employers may also need to provide additional training to get them productive. Your local community benefits greatly from having a tight labor market that is not undercut by importing scab illegals to do the work for lower compensation and benefits.

To some extent you can think of it as UNION work, and to be a member of the union, you have to be a citizen.

 

[13pollitos]

If they want the job they are welcome to it. Nearly all employers would hire American English speakers over even LEGAL immigrants that struggle with language. Problem is they don’t want it. You can’t MAKE someone work if they aren’t willing, but employers have to have someone willing to work. You can’t motivate people that have no work ethic. People have to be raised to put in what they expect to take away. Unfortunately that seems to have not happened in many families.

 

[LastStand]

https://cis.org/Kammer/Whats-Name-Meaning-La-Raza

Only when they are linked to racial supremacy.

 

[13pollitos]

“La Raza” as a phrase is no more racist than “Dixie” is as a song.

 

[Theo520]

If they want the job they are welcome to it. Nearly all employers would hire American English speakers over even LEGAL immigrants that struggle with language. Problem is they don’t want it. You can’t MAKE someone work if they aren’t willing, but employers have to have someone willing to work. You can’t motivate people that have no work ethic. People have to be raised to put in what they expect to take away. Unfortunately that seems to have not happened in many families.

Actually, you can make working a more desirable alternative to those currently not employed but on benefits.

The level of english needed really depends on the job. Some jobs sites even use spanish primarily.

Opportunities for teens to work and learn also increase in a tight labor market. Teens tend not to make the best workers (available hrs, work ethic) but starting to work young is excellent for their future, excellent for our communities.

 

[LastStand]

One is linked to racial supremacy, the other is about defending the CSA.

 

[dvdjs]

They are your neighbors who need the jobs.

Our neighbors have jobs.

 

[Inisfallen]

The page to which you link is talking about the National Council of La Raza, an organization unrelated to the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ Association. It seems like you’re trying to establish some kind of guilt (even though there is no guilt whatsoever) by association where there is no association.

The page is on the website of the Center for Immigration Studies.

If anyone is interested, you can read about them here. This organization is far more controversial than the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ Association.

Let’s see what the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ Association says about its name:

Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

https://sdlrla.com/the-name/

And here’s what they say about their membership:

SDLRLA’s membership consists of lawyers, judges, law students and other professionals who work with lawyers in a professional capacity. Our membership of about 300 individuals is not monolithic, consisting of members with diverse backgrounds–conservatives, liberals, Republicans, Democrats and Latinos and non-Latinos alike.

https://sdlrla.com/category/featured-slider/

And:

Contrary to what Trump has stated, we are not affiliated with the National Council of La Raza (NCLR). NCLR is a wholly independent civil rights and advocacy non-profit organization. SDLRLA has not been involved in organizing any Trump protests, nor do we work in conjunction with NCLR.

And I’ll close with this, also from the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ Association:

If we allow Trump’s comments to become perfunctory within the normal parameters of political discourse, we then risk descending into a country that reduces every individual down to their ethnic heritage, gender, religion or political ideology. Inevitably, this will lead to the improper use of these metrics to measure an individual’s abilities.

 

[Inisfallen]

One is linked to racial supremacy, the other is about defending the CSA.

Putting aside for the moment the fact that the term “la raza” is not inherently linked to “racial supremacy,” one cannot credibly maintain that defending the Confederate States of America did not involve defending the concept of racial supremacy.

 

[Inisfallen]

Ran over the character limit in my post above.

I ask you again if you have ever objected, or would you object, to a judge belonging to, say, an Italian-American lawyers’ organization?

 

[13pollitos]

And used as an anthem for the KKK

 

[LastStand]

They also used the American flag too.

 

[13pollitos]

So la raza is automatically racist because it CAN be tied to supremacy, but whatever white people may use in terms of supremacy are not automatically racist? Makes no sense.

PS—I don’t consider Dixie as a song to be automatically racist. Neither is La Raza

 

[LastStand]

As CIS points out, Vasconcelos was a racial supremacist. Using his writings for a Latino organization is like trying to use Mein Kampf to create a positive German identity.

So the pro-Latino organization was biased against Trump because they view him as working against Latino interests. So Trump was right on the money again.

 

[Inisfallen]

So the pro-Latino organization was biased against Trump because they view him as working against Latino interests. So Trump was right on the money again.

What? Which organization? You seem to be conflating more than one organization.

 

[LastStand]

Both of them.

 

[Inisfallen]

Still wondering what you think about a judge who belonged to a (for example) Italian-American lawyers’ association.