Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

[meltzerboy2]

OK, thanks for the info and eyewitness account. I guess the media is not really interested in telling us what is going on, but rather concerned with their ratings and any kind of sensationalism that helps them in that area. And we can’t expect an impartial analysis of the situation from the WH. So it’s people on the ground, non-reporters like you, who can provide a more rational understanding of these events.

I know it’s hard but try to get some sleep. I’m up late myself these days. New York City is not exactly a quiet town either. We’re finally partially opening up after the pandemic…with a bang.

 

[QContinuum]

Good luck sir. In trying times there is never a deficit of bad actors from any and all persuasions. I wish the folks in NYC a more peaceful time.

 

[Rubee]

Or he could just be someone who made a horrible choice at a horrible time.

He knelt on a man’s neck for 8 continuous minutes as he (and others) pleaded for his life and finally went limp. Even children know not to do that. There’s no way this was “a bad decision at the wrong time” unless the man is insane. I agree with Josie.

 

[StudentMI]

He knelt on a man’s neck for 8 continuous minutes as he (and others) pleaded for his life and finally went limp. Even children know not to do that. There’s no way this was “a bad decision at the wrong time” unless the man is insane. I agree with Josie.

As I said, he’s probably done that before. He also apparently said ‘this is why you don’t do drugs.’ Evil is banal.

 

[Sarcelle]

Good suggestions and lots of Americans, me included, agree with you.

We can speak out and we do but we are not heard.

The money is best spent building a better society at home than in interfering in foreign affairs.

 

[Sarcelle]

unless the man is insane.

Insane as in criminally sane, possibly as in sociopathic.

I understand that several complaints have been lodged against him and the higher ups basically refused to do anything. His bosses should share the blame. They are part of the problem.

 

[Sarcelle]

My little town has also had riots and a few storefronts were burned.

 

[AlNg]

The money is best spent building a better society at home than in interfering in foreign affairs.

Thank you for that. The cost of sending American troops all over the world is an enormous burden on the American taxpayer. As anyone can see, America has its own problems which demand solution. Instead of spending all this money on foreign intervention, why not spend the money here in the USA to help build a better country?
Blacks and other minorities not being treated fairly
Covid - 19 with 100, 000 deaths
Stores being looted.
Churches being burned to the ground.
Police cars being vandalized.
Protesters not observing CDC guidelines on social distancing.
Civilians being gassed in the streets.
Schools shut down and children not getting a proper education.
Infrastructure in need of repair and renewal.
Courts closed.
35 million people thrown out of work.

 

[QContinuum]

I understand that several complaints have been lodged against him and the higher ups basically refused to do anything. His bosses should share the blame. They are part of the problem.

Yes. This is why Minneapolis residents are demanding the entire department be dissolved by the city and completely replaced. There were 240+ incidents of police from this department choking individuals like was done to Mr. Floyd. In the past two years alone. This police force also shoots black residents at 13 times the rate of white residents. The police union itself is led by a man who sports white nationalist symbols and has been repeatedly and credibly accused of racist policies and disciplinary actions against police who are black. Over 94% of the PD live outside the city.

There are several other facts I could share about this PD but suffice it to say it has a marked history of brutality and racism. They are not just part of the problem, the union and its leadership are the main reasons for the problem.

 

[josie_L]

Darkness Falls

Savagery is spreading with lightning speed across the United States, with murderous assaults on police officers and civilians and the ecstatic annihilation of businesses and symbols of the state. Welcome to a real civilization-destroying pandemic, one that makes the recent saccharine...

www.city-journal.org

 

[josie_L]

The national media have been insisting on the theme of the allegedly brutal Minneapolis police department. They said nothing as black-on-white robberies rose in downtown Minneapolis late last year, along with savage assaults on passersby. Why are the Minneapolis police in black neighborhoods? Because that’s where violent crime is happening, including shootings of two-year-olds and lethal beatings of 75-year-olds. Just as during the Obama years, the discussion of the allegedly oppressive police is being conducted in the complete absence of any recognition of street crime and the breakdown of the black family that drives it.

The quote is derived from the article I posted. Where did you derive your information from? Can you post some links?

Serious crimes spike 70% in Minneapolis' Downtown East

The area, also known as East Town, was part of the nearly two-thirds of the city's 81 neighborhoods that saw an increase in overall crime in 2019, from the previous four-year average.

m.startribune.com

 

[meltzerboy2]

So what would be the motivation of the police officer if not racist? Do you believe he was insane? I understand there were several other complaints lodged against him prior to this incident. Do we know whether these complaints came mainly from Black people or not? I think whether there was a pattern of abusive behavior, particularly against Blacks, would be an important fact in his trial. If so, it would also speak very badly of the police department of Minneapolis that they did not discipline or fire him earlier.

 

[meltzerboy2]

I thought, however, that the charge leveled against the officer was because it was thought that manslaughter is the most probable charge of which he might be convicted, whereas first-degree murder would be too high a bar to prove. Still, you may be right based on precedence. But of course we are living in very uncertain times, and we really cannot tell which way a jury or judge might go with a case such as this that has significant social repercussions beyond the incident itself.

 

[pnewton]

They’re just not arrested/punished for it.

They are. Of course white people are arrested and go to prison for drug possession.

I think this story is about bad police methods, not racism.

Everyone I know cringes when watching that video. I really thought every police officer knew of the danger of such a position, even without the knee on the neck, a big no-no. You cuff, and bring to a sitting position immediately. You never, ever ignore calls for medical help and signs of distress.

There are a lot of problems with this whole mess, but the procedures used by the arrest officer were atrocious and callous.

And that it’s disturbingly lacking at places like here and by people like Tim Gordon.

I get that, but what does that have to do with the Catholic Church? I never heard of this guy.

I’ve seen cases where people faked heart attacks to get out of a DUI.

We have a term for it - incarceritis. However, we use this term as a reminder that we must follow through with every complaint, every time, multiple times if needed, and 100% of the time. I know that is repetitive, but that is the point. Callous (desensitized) disregard is an occupational hazard, but it must be avoided at all cost!

 

[Ridgerunner]

So what would be the motivation of the police officer if not racist?

It could be any number of things. Was the killing of white cops in Dallas by a black man racist? We really don’t know. What about the black police officer in St. Louis? I understand last year there were 9 killings of unarmed blacks by police in the U.S.; some by black police officers. 19 unarmed whites were killed. During the same period over 80 cops were assassinated. How many of those killings were racist? We don’t know.

I don’t know what the prior complaints against Chauvin were, but my impression is that they weren’t physical acts. But I guess all of that will come out in time.

I don’t know how poorly or well Minneapolis vets and trains its cops. But it does seem the other cops should have intervened, and one has to ask why they did not.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I actually would expect everyone to believe it, ideally.

If a white drunk driver strikes and kills a black person, us that racist?

Both the drunk driver and Chauvin made terrible decisions, were negligent in their responsibilities, etc. But were those decisions and negligence based on racism?

Need more information to know yes or no on that.

 

[QContinuum]

There’s been a spike in crime in many cities the last year. The trends for police brutality here go back many years. My post has nothing to do with crime spikes though.

 

[DENNYINMI]

Much of this could come to an abrupt halt if the commander in chief would vocalize the long needed change in our police departments directly related to this mans heinous death. At least the conversation could begin there, recognition of the root of the problem is a beginning.

Since many (many) police around the country are taking a knee and walking with peaceful protestors it’s unlikely the failure to recognize and speak out on this fact will help him in November. These police that are doing the aforementioned are indeed contributing to keeping their neighborhoods peaceful and safe…they are also very aware that there are a few snakes that are well hidden in the grass they’ve been stepping over for years.

 

[StudentMI]

These police that are doing the aforementioned are indeed contributing to keeping their neighborhoods peaceful and safe…

You mean like the majority of cops do? Shocker.

 

[DENNYINMI]

You mean like the majority of cops do? Shocker.

To the shame of those that don’t yep.