Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

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What would have to happen for you to believe the killing was racist? Would you need to know that Chauvin was personally a racist, and decided beforehand to kill Floyd based on his race?
 
I think we do agree that what the cop did was wrong. I believe that action at least contributed to Floyd’s death. I believe the cop will almost certainly go to prison for a long time and likely be killed there.
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What would have to happen for you to believe the killing was racist?
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Some kind of evidence. Right now there’s none that I have seen or heard. Maybe you will provide it.
 
It’s not for Ridgerunner to decide that but the judicial system. It could very well be racially motivated, but that is something we will hopefully find out.
 
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I am sorry to see you go. I appreciated the posts by you and @Rubee and got a much better idea of how events like this affect black people in the US. I see how the police doing this is much more of a violation because when the representatives of the law violate the law it makes the law seem worthless.

So I thank you and Rubee and all the others who shared from your hearts and without rancor.
 
Some kind of evidence. Right now there’s none that I have seen or heard. Maybe you will provide it.
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Yes, but what would that evidence consist of? What would you be looking for? I think we already have it. Whether or not Chauvin was personally motivated by racism seems irrelevant to me.
It’s not for Ridgerunner to decide that but the judicial system. It could very well be racially motivated, but that is something we will hopefully find out.
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@josie_L Anyone can make their own judgement outside of the courts.
 
Thus far we don’t know enough about the defendant to conclude in the affirmative that he is until more is known.

Note: Whether you believe he is, I will not argue that.
 
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Note: Whether you believe he is, I will not argue that, but you cannot expect others to believe the same at this point.
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I actually would expect everyone to believe it, ideally.
 
Why ideally?? Is it just to believe he is before all the facts are known??

He could very well be a bad cop/person without necessarily being motivated by racial hatred.
 
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Why ideally?? Is it just to believe he is before all the facts are known??

He could very well be a bad cop/person without necessarily being motivated by racial hatred.
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Or he could just be someone who made a horrible choice at a horrible time.
 
Why ideally?? Is it just to believe he is before all the facts are known??
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We have enough facts to know what happened.
He could very well be a bad cop/person without necessarily being motivated by racial hatred.
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Racism is systemic. It doesn’t matter what he thinks in his head.
 
Possibly, but I’m less inclined to believe that. It was inhumane the manner in which he treated George Floyd.
 
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Possibly, but I’m less inclined to believe that. It was inhumane the manner in which he treated George Floyd.
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I believe it until proven otherwise. Dudes probably used that maneuver several times with nothing resulting. He knew he was being filmed. He probably thought “I’m not leaning that heavily.”
 
How are you supposed to know a person’s intent or rationale in such a case??

Again, he could just be a bad cop power tripping for all we know, but the fact is that whatever the motivation was/is a man is dead.
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Racism is systemic. It doesn’t matter what he thinks in his head.
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Say what??? He’s guilty by virtue of the system he’s a part of (we are all a part of)!
 
But has he ever had someone telling him repeatedly “I can’t breathe” without thinking, “hey, maybe I should ease off here since he’s already on the ground and handcuffed”???

It was an unnecessary show of force to say the least.
 
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But has he ever had someone telling him repeatedly “I can’t breathe” without thinking, “hey, maybe I should ease off here since he’s already on the ground and handcuffed”???

It was an unnecessary show of force to say the least.
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How do we know he hasn’t? I’ve seen cases where people faked heart attacks to get out of a DUI. How do we know Chauvin hasn’t seen things like that before and thought oh come on, you’re fine.

Ever read the Banality of Evil by Hannah Arendt?
 
Whether he did or didn’t doesn’t really signify, he did use excessive force which led to the victim’s death.

The video itself is pretty incriminating.
 
No. “It doesnt matter what was in his head” does not mean what you think it means.
It means that if you do racist things, the fact that you were ignorant, or confused, didnt mean it, or even meant well does not stop it from being racist.

This is an area where CAF is totally clueless. Discussion here always confuses moral culpability for racism with racism itself. Racism is not a theological concept where it has to be racist, you have to know it’s racist, and choose to do it any way. It just has to be freaking racist.

A business never hires black candidates, not because policy, they just never select them - racist

A teacher punishes black kids more harshly than white kids, not intentionally, but that’s how it always ends up- racist

A security guard follows around black shoppers for no good reason- racist

Guy belongs to the klan because it’s a thing people he knows do- racist

If an action, policy, behavior negatively impacts someone due to their race it is racist. An example of “white privilege” is being able to frame the discussion of racism in terms of “let’s discuss how the person who looks like me might still be a good person on the inside no matter how it effects the person who doesnt.” I think that’s backwards and crazy. It should be “is the person on the receiving end ok, and how can we stop this from happening.”
 
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