Anti-gay message in Catholic parish bulletin sparks outrage

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To infer that people who were abused as children will turn into abusers is unkind at best.

Most abusers were abused as children, that does not mean in any way that abused kids grow up to abusers.

You never know if the person who is reading you words WAS abused as a child and how such an implications may hurt them

I’m outta this thread.
 
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theCardinalbird said:
And we aren’t pleased with LGBTQ people telling us that we have to accept their idea of marriage. It’s offensive to us.
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I don’t know why it is offensive to you, other than it doesn’t match your religious beliefs. It seems to be a problem for the offended.
 
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JMMJ said:
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theCardinalbird:
And we aren’t pleased with LGBTQ people telling us that we have to accept their idea of marriage. It’s offensive to us.
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I don’t know why it is offensive to you, other than it doesn’t match your religious beliefs. It seems to be a problem for the offended.
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So, only LGBTQ people are allowed to be offended? They can be offended by what Catholics believe, but we cannot be offended by what they believe? You have just proved everyone’s point.
 
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That isn’t my point at all.

In a nutshell…
The Catholic faith (and ergo, Catholics) want to tell LGBTQ people how to live their most intimate moments in life, including what kinds of relationships they should have.

All LGBTQ people want is for people (including those Catholics referenced above) to get off their backs and leave them alone.

Two very different views. It isn’t a case of both sides being tolerant of each other, although is certainly could (and I would argue, should) be.
 
I am not sure I understand who all these Catholics on their backs are. It seems to me that they are reacting to what our faith believes, not to actual people. I don’t know anyone bugging anyone about their Catholic beliefs. If LGBTQ people do not agree, no one is stopping them from doing what they want. But in turn, they seem to want to silence anyone that doesn’t agree with them.
 
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theCardinalbird said:
And we aren’t pleased with LGBTQ people telling us that we have to accept their idea of marriage. It’s offensive to us.
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I find serial monogamy to be offensive. Divorce and remarriage is against the teachings of the Church, yet, I don’t see people keeping their kids home from visiting little Sally at her step-mom’s house or away from a parade because there are people there who are living together or irregularly married presenting themselves as married.

I know, I said I was out of here, but, I fail to see how we must be outraged over one and and not the other.
 
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JMMJ said:
I don’t know why it is offensive to you, other than it doesn’t match your religious beliefs. It seems to be a problem for the offended.
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It is offensive to me because I just want to believe what i want to believe and not have other people’s ideologies imposed on me. Like the LGBTQ community, i just want to live my life. But how can i sit by when people are villainized for not agreeing with gay marriage? If I had it my way I would let everybody believe what they want (provided that they don’t hurt someone) without bigotry.
JMMJ said:
All LGBTQ people want is for people (including those Catholics referenced above) to get off their backs and leave them alone.
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And I get that and understand that. But when will they get off our backs and stop villainizing people who believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman? Respect for respect is all i am asking for. Is that wrong?
JMMJ said:
The Catholic faith (and ergo, Catholics) want to tell LGBTQ people how to live their most intimate moments in life, including what kinds of relationships they should have.
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The Catholic faith wants to show the world a different way in living life. Recall how Christ didn’t push anyone to follow his ways, but showed them the way? That’s how I see the Church. Now, that doesn’t mean every Catholic will do this, but it shows we don’t want to impose our morality, rather we want people to follow Christ on their own free will.
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And now, I am out.

The hatefull and intollerant attitudes some of the people here on CAF have towards LGBTQ folks is disgusting. Trying to mask the bigotry makes it even worse.
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If you were thinking about me when writing this post then I am sorry to hear you say this. I’m a gay Catholic who believes marriage is between a man and a woman, and quite frankly, I’ve gotten more criticism from people who support gay marriage than my Catholic brethren. Many think I am brainwashed for choosing chastity, even my best friend thinks I am making a mistake. So when I see people being hateful or intolerant towards any person for any reason (regardless if they agree with gay marriage or not) I get a little angry.

The truth is, I don’t want Catholics demonizing LGBTQ people, and I also don’t want LGBTQ people demonizing Catholics.

My reason for creating this thread was primarily to show how Catholics are being demonized for not agreeing with what a Pride parade represents. Do I think that the priest was right in issuing his message? Well I kind of do. I see pride parades as something that goes against Catholic teachings because they showcase immoral lifestyles. I am fine with talking more about gay people and how to accept them more without bigotry without ridicule for their feelings.

What I do not need to accept is someone’s choices (such as who they choose to have sexual relations with) because loving someone and accepting someone does not mean I have to agree with their choices
 
Or those of us who believe what our Catechism teaches.

It is not a “LGBTQ FOLKS ARE INTOLERABLE” or “Host a Gay Honeymoon in Your Guest Room” sort of choice. As the documentary shows is, there IS a third way.

brandonvogt.com

The Third Way: Homosexuality and the Catholic Church

About 18 months ago, a priest friend of mine, Fr. John Hollowell, asked if I could help spread the word about his new film project. It was a crowdsourced documentary on homosexuality and the Catholic Church, using powerful story, beautiful imagery, and stirring music to dispel misconceptions...
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http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/homosexuality/always-our-children.cfm
 
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TheLittleLady said:
away from a parade because there are people there who are living together or irregularly married presenting themselves as married.
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It really depends on the motives and there are many. I wouldn’t go because I don’t like obnoxious social events of any kind and I’m not much of a people pleaser.
 
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Please rephrase it. I am not a flagger by nature.

The overtone of this thread is that there is a zero sum game.

That there are two distinct choices.

Perhaps you have not participated from the beginning to see that trend here.
 
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Just like the other letter a week ago from a Bishop that I read and i stated in that thread, this Preist is doing his job and shepherding his flock.

As I stated in that post I truly believe the majority of people that take issue with what this Priest wrote are either not Catholic to begin with or fallen away Catholics. I have an hard time believing a regular Mass attending Catholic would be shocked or take issue with this letter.
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I know a heck of a lot of regular Mass attenders who go by the “as long as they’re happy” motto and see absolutely nothing wrong with same sex relationships. For many it stems from their experience of young people who were rejected for their SSA and attempted suicide because of it.
 
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If they couldn’t do that they would be controlled in a way too.
 
Has a Courage group ever marched in these parades? I doubt very much that they would be welcome because they are the antithesis of what this parade is about.
 
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MagdalenaRita:
Interesting. I am glad that they are doing that, asking priests and deacons to keep copies of the homilies. That is such a good idea and a needed protection today.
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The homilies at our church are broadcast onto the internet in real time, as well being recorded, archived and replayed on demand by anyone. Are not most masses broadcast this way these days?
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Er, no?
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JMMJ said:
Please re-read the first sentence of my post. I will repeat it:

“I can only speak about what I witness the gay people I know do.”

I don’t have answers for you with regards to the issues you raise, because they aren’t part of my experience.

I don’t know of any gay people who aren’t happy to let Catholics believe whatever they choose. They aren’t pleased with Catholics who tell them how to live. It is offensive to them.
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I’ve never told my brother how to live his life but our relationship has been strained since he read a post of mine on Facebook simply stating that as a Catholic I believed in what the Church taught. He came at me with “So when you see me you see someone who is disordered?” and although my response was “No, I think of you as my brother,” the relationship we had until that day doesn’t exist anymore.
 
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