Archbishop Warns Obama: You’ll Cause 'Conflict Between Church and State of Enormous Proportions’

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“oh, those best qualities of humanity you talk about aren’t a simple matter of genetics…. Love, conscience, compassion. They’re attributes that mankind’s that have developed over the centuries. They pass from one generation to the next, taught by parents to their children, creating a new kind of Q is a noble kind of idea, but impregnating someone and walking away…"
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~ Katherine Janeway,
Captain, Commanding
Federation Intrepid Class Starship Voyager
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Kind of interesting to hear this coming from a science fiction character that does not give credence to a supernatural power. I’ve never seen a same sex relationship on these - shows in the form of humans at least.
 
jomoco said:
Ezekiel and Christ are distinctly separate individuals, with Christ’s precepts supreme.

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But the speaker in the passage in Ezekiel is God. In any case, you act as if the two are contradictory, when they are not. It is a false dichotomy. You say you are a Christian. Neither Catholics nor any other Christian denomination that I am aware of believe that Jesus contradicted any other biblical teaching.
 
pnewton said:
But the speaker in the passage in Ezekiel is God. In any case, you act as if the two are contradictory, when they are not. It is a false dichotomy. You say you are a Christian. Neither Catholics nor any other Christian denomination that I am aware of believe that Jesus contradicted any other biblical teaching.
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And Christ’s sayings and parables?

Matthew 13:31-32 tells the parable of the mustard seed: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches.”

How many entities/men can Christ’s sayings and parables be attributed to?

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
Did He shun the leper, the prostitue or political prisoner?

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Absolutely not, and this is the difference between judging others and not. Jesus did not shun prostitutes, but neither did he use their services. He also had no problem telling one to go and sin no more.
 
As a Canadian what really burns me is the fact that, in my province at least, my PSA test, eye appointments, dentistry, etc are not covered. But I my tax dollars are paying to kill children via OHIP (Ontario’s health plan).
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Agree 100% :mad::mad::mad:
 
jomoco said:
Did He shun the leper, the prostitue or political prisoner?
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You seem to have trouble separating appropriate categories:

Leper = victim of disease, not doer

Prostitute = doer (actor)

Political prisoner = possible victim of persecution/oppression, as well as possible champion of righteousness

So clearly the above are not within the same category.

As to the only one of the three that he not only would have called out for behavior (choices):
He shunned the behavior, yes. Homosexuals want their behavior formally approved of, mainstreamed, and held up as an equivalent or even a superior moral norm.

Jesus called for acceptance of persons, without acceptance of their bad behavior. That’s also, following in His footsteps, exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. To “shun” means to reject the person, to refuse to associate or socialize with the person.
 
pnewton said:
Absolutely not, and this is the difference between judging others and not. Jesus did not shun prostitutes, but neither did he use their services. He also had no problem telling one to go and sin no more.
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Gay people are not asking you to use their services either. All they ask is the same equal rights that you enjoy, in not being shunned.

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Obama is anti Catholic. When are Catholics going to wake up and see the enemy for what it is. Do you really think that Obama care about what the CC stands for?

Catholics are either too nieve or live in denial for fear of the reality that is too painfull for us to accept. Catholics must learn to understand that we are here to suffer and not to have an easy life by forcing our enemies to abide by our rules.
 
Jesus forgave the prostitute and the adulterer when they repented. He did not advise a prostitute pride day or an adultery pride parade. Forgiveness of an activity does not constitute promotion of it or even legalization of it, as I think his hearers well understood…
 
jomoco said:
Gay people are not asking you to use their services either. All they ask is the same equal rights that you enjoy, in not being shunned.

jomoco
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There is no right ‘not to be shunned.’

God loves us all, and will forgive our sins if we ask.
This is a privilage, not a right.

But that is all beside the point.
Gay people enjoy all of the same rights that I enjoy.
There is no right afforded a straight man that is not given a gay one.

The truth behind the ‘equal rights’ cry is that it isn’t at all about equal rights, it is about extra rights.
 
JimG said:
Jesus forgave the prostitute and the adulterer when they repented. He did not advise a prostitute pride day or an adultery pride parade. Forgiveness of an activity does not constitute promotion of it or even legalization of it, as I think his hearers well understood…
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As I recall Jesus picked up a stone offering it the prostitute’s persecutors, asking which among them without sin will cast the first stone?

And as I recall His actions were not dependent on them repenting before receiving His compassion.

jomoco
 
jomoco said:
As I recall Jesus picked up a stone offering it the prostitute’s persecutors, asking which among them without sin will cast the first stone?

And as I recall His actions were not dependent on them repenting before receiving His compassion.

jomoco
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Compassion is not forgivness.
Christ acted freely and was compassionate, but forgivness only comes with our request.
 
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